Diogenesister

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  Amber Scorah on cults

  by dozy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  amber gives a superb talk here.

  i couldn't help but contrast her delivery - fluent , articulate , without any notes - not even a rostrum or podium to hide behind - with the numerous talks and items i heard when i was a jw.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wfpaqcqcw.

  i am reading her book " leaving the witness " just now - it is superb - i just can't put it down.

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  Excellent talk, But Dozy she's - gasp - a woman!
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  Retired Montana Supreme Court Justice writes regarding JW defense of sex offenders

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jim nelson's short 5 paragraph opinion piece in the helena independent record calls for a change to the law that allows perpetrating jehovahs witnesses to escape prosecution.

  and the facilitators (watchtower in this case) to be held accountable.

  https://helenair.com/opinion/columnists/religion-does-not-give-sexual-predators-a-pass/article_f22cf868-64b0-56c0-8028-6e690731adb3.amp.html.

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  “Unavailable for legal reasons”

  Any chance of a cut and paste?
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  Circus Assembly Jaw Dropper

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the co got on his hind legs for the public talk and repeated twice "tolerance promotes division".

  then backed it up by saying that if one group march for some right, another group will march for the opposite.. so jws are intolerant and proud of it.

  f@@@k me sideways.. may explain that the baptism tally was 0..

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  Dropofyourkeylee tolerance promotes division, then it follows that intolerance promotes unity. Maybe that’s true, but it’s not a world I want to live in.

  Absolutely bloody Perfect👌
  
  
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  The New Diary of Winston Smith

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

  fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

  i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

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  Wow! What a mega thread!

  Waaaaaay way way Back in Time Machine❤

  Hi there! I've been here about 4 years. Woke up with the ARC fully. I'm a bit scared to read all the replies in case I see some old friends no longer with us, and I get all emotional😥

  Edit: just to say I'm so glad you got Mrs. Smith out, too.
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  Were You Willing To Die For Jehovah?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we were supposed to be dedicated unconditionally to jehovah god.

  we were willing to be persecuted to the death if need be.

  if it came to taking a blood transfusion or dying, we were loyal to jehovah and would be a martyr for god.

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  the time I liked to think I wouldn't compromise but who can really say until it happens nonetheless, however I truly believed I SHOULD be willing to die for Jehovah and that he expected it of me.

  Pete Za Hut isn’t it ironic that although the Bible clearly states Jesus told Christians to expect persecution, he also states in Mathew 10 “Whenever they persecute in one city, flee to the next”

  Notice it says flee? Yet Watchtower pushes the narrative you must be willing to die for the cause.
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  After the death of a spouse, how long did people wait to get remarried?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was on the phone with a long-time friend from my original congregation north of new york city and she told me that the 'shit hit the fan' when a brother (long-time elder i know well) got remarried about 6 weeks after his wife died.. he was about 60 and his new wife (a pioneer that i also know) was about 50 and had never been married.. it became a huge issue when the co came.

  due to all the talk and chatter in the congregation, he even included in one of his talks without naming names, that marriage is something sacred and that when and how people get married is a personal matter as long as it conforms to bible standards.. anyway, it shut everybody up.

  any similar experiences in your current/former congregations?.

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  Men typically marry less than one year after the death of their wife. Women usually marry far later following widowhood.
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  Were You Willing To Die For Jehovah?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we were supposed to be dedicated unconditionally to jehovah god.

  we were willing to be persecuted to the death if need be.

  if it came to taking a blood transfusion or dying, we were loyal to jehovah and would be a martyr for god.

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  Diogenesister

  I did refuse a blood transfusion.

  Having done so, however, I knew I could not do so for my kids. The UK courts would have made my child a ward of court and taken the decision out of my hands, but I could not be a hippocrite and simply relied on that to save them.
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  Montana News

  by AuntBee in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/montana/articles/2020-01-08/court-reverses-35m-verdict-against-jehovahs-witnesses.

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  Tameria20015o

  I think now their only option would be to plead to the Supreme Court of the United States

  They can appeal the decision of the Montana supreme court, failing that they can then appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States. It's not over till it's over.

  I believe they can show Watchtower has paid clergy (Circuit overseer) and Service desk elders, also lawyers etc

  I think the main point is that it was not a confession by the perp, but a REPORT by the family who viewed the elders very much as their clergy.

  Just because it is watchtower procedure does not make it comparable with normal church confessional. Whether they argue they are clergy or not, the victim has good grounds to do so because Watchtower was indeed malicious in its intent to place it's own reputation above a child's safety.

  
  
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  Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

  by JohnTron72 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

  i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

  " and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

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  Adam would have had to go without sex for 900 years😂😂😂

  If he was willing to fore go that, then yes, he would have bested God and proven him a liar

  The most rudimentary analysis shows this story is allegory, as you've shown
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  Jesus said Truly I tell you This Day...

  by JohnTron72 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  adam was told not to eat from the tree of knowledge for upon the very day of eating from it, he would die.

  i had someone say that god lied because, adam didn't die that day but, the scriptures say to god a day is as a thousand years so, since adam lived 900+ years after eating , he indeed died within god's view of a day.

  methuselah the oldest to ever live 969 years still within god's set time of a day.

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  Yup. That was the day he said it. It seems too obvious

  Look at all of Jesus sayings. He constantly said to people "Truly I say to you..." this and "Truly I say to you...." that. He at no time EVER said in any other part of the new testament "truly I say to you today" did he?

  Only in when speaking to the so-called criminal on the stake did he use this expression and add the "today" bit.

  That to me shows he was saying to the criminal he would be in Paradise today.