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  Watchtower fined in Belgium

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  jehovah's witnesses in belgium have to pay €12k fine for shunning policy.

  news.

  you have probably heard of the trial going on in belgium about the shunning policy of jws.

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  Diogenesister

  I believe that an appeal will overturn the current verdict on the basis of freedom of association rights.

  VANDER the case centres on hate speech. Shunning comes into play because they used examples of it to prove that watchtowers hate speech toward those of others faiths or beliefs has damaging, even violent, results, namely cruelty and shunning. It’s not not shunning they are legislating against. Not freedom of association.

  To respond to your statement they may play it smart and not appeal. As others have said if it goes all the way to Strasbourg and the ECHR, the rest of the world will sit up and take notice and any ruling would be seen as persuasive or strong precedent in other States.

  I would have thought you of all people would see that prejudice against a person because of their faith/beliefs/lack thereof, is wrong.
  
  
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  Watchtower fined in Belgium

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses in belgium have to pay €12k fine for shunning policy.

  news.

  you have probably heard of the trial going on in belgium about the shunning policy of jws.

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  Diogenesister

  https://bitterwinter.org/editorial-board/ have a look at their editorial board folks!

  VIENNE Without even looking I knew exactly who was behind that link you posted. Massimo Introveign is a well known cult apologist (whom watchtower recently dropped when they discovered his association with satanism 🤪)I suggest you put his name into the JWdotnet search engine and see what comes up.

  It was He and Another crony who supported watchtower in this, Prof. Folkes, a women who had the audacity to defend watchtowers right to keep their peadophile database private.
  
  
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  Watchtower fined in Belgium

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses in belgium have to pay €12k fine for shunning policy.

  news.

  you have probably heard of the trial going on in belgium about the shunning policy of jws.

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  Diogenesister

  would not like my choice of associates to be regulated by law. Is disfellowshipping painful? I see that it is. Do I want to be forced to speak to a disfellowshiped pedophile because a judge says I must? No. Not now. Not ever. One's choice of associates, no matter what drives it, should be beyond a judge's purview.

  VIENNE Firstly, they have not been prosecuted shunning specifically, but rather for hate speech and discrimination. The result of which is egregious in the extreme and does indeed involve shunning. The Ghent public prosecutor’s office summoned the Jehovah’s Witnesses for four charges: incitement to discrimination on the basis of religious belief against a person, and against a group, as well as incitement to hatred or violence against a person, and against a group.

  If you have ever read the sort of rhetoric watchtower uses when describing apostates, you will absolutely understand why.

  It is absolutely not about being made to associate with someone, but rather about an organisation forcing its members NOT to associate with loved ones who have changed their beliefs.
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  6000 yrs for mankind

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
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  i have a question to the board.. if someone asks you the below question, how do you respond?

  please reflect on why you think the question was asked.

  (background... the spouse was talking to dubs about 6000 yrs and wanted to tell them that it was proved false).

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  Diogenesister

  together with the latest scrolls they found a beautiful basket dated as > 10 000 years old, so the 6 000 year limit for human consciousness, is a basket case.

  Waton 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
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  6000 yrs for mankind

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have a question to the board.. if someone asks you the below question, how do you respond?

  please reflect on why you think the question was asked.

  (background... the spouse was talking to dubs about 6000 yrs and wanted to tell them that it was proved false).

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  Diogenesister

  Yes. Human artefacts going back many thousands of years, for one. Such as the kind of “Venus” found at Hohle fels caves and the “lion man” of Swabia, Germany, nearly 40,000 years old both. We also have bone flutes of a similar age and skull beads found in Israel over 100,000 years old.

  watchtower claims dating methods are off but their information around that is extremely dated to say the least. A rudimentary check will flood a truly interested party with information on how long man has existed. Trouble is most witnesses are not truly interested.
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  Harry, Meghan the Royal Apostates

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. jw
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  i just watched the oprah interview.

  i know that many view them with little interest as just entitled wastes of space and i get that.. however, the description of how they were "trapped" and silenced and forced into perpetuating the system with little or no personal freedom rang bells for me.

  they are effectively shunned, estranged and disparaged by their family and cut off from support.

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  I do like the title of the thread, though, Slidin’fast!!!❤️
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  Harry, Meghan the Royal Apostates

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. jw
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  i just watched the oprah interview.

  i know that many view them with little interest as just entitled wastes of space and i get that.. however, the description of how they were "trapped" and silenced and forced into perpetuating the system with little or no personal freedom rang bells for me.

  they are effectively shunned, estranged and disparaged by their family and cut off from support.

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  Diogenesister

  I will say one thing. Harry keeps banging on about safety...just wanting money for safety.

  I actually think Harry has a screw loose because surely by now he knows how royal protection works!!

  Abroad, royal protection officers don't have the right to carry guns automatically as no foreigner does. Even if they did, they wouldn't be privy to a states security intelligence which means their charges are not safe, since they could be blindsided by that lack of intelligence at any time.

  So what happens is if the queen etc travels abroad there is a reciprocal and the country she visits organizes safety. It would cost our government millions to protect the Sussex's yearly, until they day they ALL die. Why would we do it if they don't work for us.
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  Handwritten letter's from JW children "sick"

  by Fadeaway1962 in

  1. watchtower
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  https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburgh-residents-targeted-with-handwritten-letters-from-child-members-of-jehovahs-witnesses-brand-the-move-sick-3153697?amp .

  how the residents feel about receiving a letter from a jw children..

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  In this Edinburgh times article watchtower says adult's sending letters, together with youngsters drawings, to old age care homes lifts the spirits of recipients and teaches kids to do good to others.

  If it were just that then yes, I'm all for it. But it isn't!! It's about making converts and in particular getting elderly converts to change their wills.

  Why don't these witness kids write to the very many lonely, elderly Witnesses in care homes??Because they can't count time, that's why!
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  Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Wrong Regarding Staying Out of Politics?

  by minimus in

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  we were told we were part of the world if we got involved in politics.

  if we had employment that had political involvement we were instructed to get another job.

  we were told we might be considered disassociated if we voted and then it became questionable.

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  Diogenesister

  It's horrific that one man's narcissism and resentments toward his own government at a particular period in time should affect the choices and responsibilities of so many people at different times and in different eras (I'm thinking Malawi is a particularly egregious example).

  Unfortunately the outcome of their neutrality during WW2 compounded this veiw - though we now know it was pure chance they ended up on the right side of history (see Rutherford's "Statement of Facts").
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  Should I continue to help an "unbelieving" husband?

  by RiverPeace in

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  i know there are a lot of 'wise heads' out there on this forum - so i would appreciate your suggestions.. several years ago, i studied with a guy, whose wife is a jw.

  (he had studied with several elders before i came along).

  the study went reasonably well.

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  I mean the thing is, if you can demonstrate the Bible is cobblers he won't become a witness anyway.

  You could try showing him contradictions and go through Numbers and Judges, or some of the other murderous and ridiculous passenges?

  Use socratic questioning, too.