Posts by Diogenesister

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What police have to deal with

by LoveUniHateExams in

so, the actions of cops have come under scrutiny in recent days, what with the trial of derek chauvin and the death of daunte wright.

i certainly hope justice is served in both those cases.. what is easy for people to forget, is just what police officers have to deal with on a regular basis, during their interactions with citizens.. here's a video breaking down one such interaction.. a car owner was driving his car but the tags weren't legally displayed.

cops wanted him to pull over but the driver continued driving for a mile and a half with a police car following with sirens and lights.

Diogenesister

It’s actually a thing. It’s called “Death by cop”. It’s suicide*.

Frustrated, confused and depressed people, not to mention mentally ill. Is it time we brought in another type of official to deal with these cases? Like a cop immediately rings in the “mental health crew” ( provided they don’t drive off I suppose) and gets on with other business once they arrive? I mean in the UK the idea that a person on a traffic violation should be countered by an officer using firearms would be beyond absurd, but then I expect that drags us into that other long standing ding dong on here...gun laws.

*having said that there are many who would say it’s pretty selfish to drag others into (taking blame for) your suicide, assuming suicidal people could be said to be rational enough to be deemed “selfish”.

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Does the practice of refusing service to churches violate federal discrimination laws?

by dropoffyourkeylee in

concerning recent threads about providing building repairs or other services for a church, i am wondering about how the wt stand would hold up under legal scrutiny.. example; a jw is self employed in the hvac business.

a church calls him to provide routine service for their heating and cooling system.

suppose it is in area which is predominately of a certain race or ethnicity.

Diogenesister

Well if they were smart, of course, they'd simply say they were already booked up.

If they admitted they wouldn't carry out the repair because it's in a mosque I'm sure you could be sued for religious discrimination and actually I happen to agree with that. You're fixing radiators, not getting married there...why in the hell should you have the right to refuse based on the faith of the people who use said radiator/building??!

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How long did it take before you realized that you missed the obvious?

by pistolpete in

remember when the public speaker in the kingdom hall or convention related the ten plagues and the parting of the red sea?.

the finale when jehovah closes the red sea and swallows pharaoh's entire army of egyptian men.. when i was a little kid about 5 years old and listened to this story, i would think---wow jehovah is strong.

when i started school and started learning compassion as early as the first grade i started wondering?????.

Diogenesister

Biahi Pete, that’s what they told me, too! I didn’t know why we sang that 🎶 Fear not those who kill the body, but cannot destroy the soul. If they teach that we don’t have a soul, maybe we should fear those who would kill our body. I asked my mom, and she told me not to think too much, or I would think myself right out of the truth. So sad.

I used to think about that song, too. Also as I grew older and watched Star Trek I’d think about the food replicator and Scottie’s aversion to the transporter machine. To JWs if we have no soul & we and are essentially our brains, JWs have a materialists view of life! That means when we die it is merely a replication of us - or a clone - that is resurrected.

Snare & Racket Co. My favourite, Hitchens said, had god asked him to take his child to a mountain, bind him then slaughter him like an animal.... he would say "F**£ you!" and suffer the consequences!

same could be said of shunning a DF child or allowing your kid to die for want of a blood transfusion. Love your child and bugger the consequences for yourself! Its supposed to be about self-sacrifice but Witnesses effectively put themselves first, in these situations, by not risking their own eternal life.

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Derek Chauvin - The Right to a Fair Trial

by Simon in

anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.

if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.

there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?

Diogenesister

MMM But look, I agree at the point he was put on the ground, he was probably feeling panic. But that’s the problem with a criminal throwing every fake excuse out to avoid arrest - if there is real distress, it is that much less believable. Even before he was on the ground, he was saying he can’t breathe. It was all boy-who-cried-wolf to some extent.

It’s interesting at the moment if you look on Reddit or youtube there’s an absolute flood of arrest videos with police officers put in the most dangerous and impossible situations. Because much of it is body cam footage, I’m pretty sure it’s officers themselves posting it (or maybe supportive admin or I.T. staff) I think as you say it’s an attempt to show the public the sort of situations they face on a daily basis. Situations which lead human beings to start having to seriously start protecting themselves first and foremost if they want to survive their careers.

Even though I mention the 2% of sociopaths in probably all walks of life, including the police, I’m well aware that the majority of coppers do the best they can as you say in often impossible situations.

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This one bible passage proves abortions are wrong and honoring Mary is right

by TTWSYF in

nwt luke chapt 1.

41 well, as elizabeth heard the greeting of mary, the infant in her womb leaped, and elizabeth was filled with holy spirit 42 and loudly cried out: “blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruitage of your womb!

43 so how is it that this privilege is mine, to have the mother of my lord come to me?

Diogenesister

It's also been addressed in questions from readers. Not only are you misrepresenting Watchtower's teaching on this manner, Watchtower actually proves its point with references

JOFi_WOFO To be fair it was I that raised this point, not TTWSYF. He merely replied to my post.

However, as in many things, Watchtower speaks out of both sides of its mouth. On many occasions they used this scripture from the platform as a way of explaining the RC position on Mary was wrong. Although they were clear he respected her as mother when a child they seemed to be quite disparaging of her* being 'as any other woman' once he reached adulthood and began his ministry.

*Typical of their extreme misogyny. They can't bear that a woman should have a place of honour in any religion.

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This one bible passage proves abortions are wrong and honoring Mary is right

by TTWSYF in

nwt luke chapt 1.

41 well, as elizabeth heard the greeting of mary, the infant in her womb leaped, and elizabeth was filled with holy spirit 42 and loudly cried out: “blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruitage of your womb!

43 so how is it that this privilege is mine, to have the mother of my lord come to me?

Diogenesister

Simon People who haven't had any religious upbringing can know right and wrong. In fact, studies show that babies as young as a few months can make judgements on whether someone is mean or kind to others.

I remember being at a mother & toddler when my twins were babies. There were about 40 mother's sitting in a huge circle and the babies playing in a giant scrum in the centre (ah for the days before Covid!😜)

Well one of my son's must have been thirsty because he suddenly side eyed another baby who was drinking from his bottle and had put it down. My son slowly wiggled & crawled over to the bottle. Looking around carefully, he slid over to the bottle and whilst trying to look away as disinterested as possible his hand shot out sideways as he grabbed the bottle and took a crafty glug.

He then guiltily looked over his shoulder at me! I swear that child was not even 9 months old - yet he knew that bottle belonged to someone else and that he shouldn't have taken it.
Sure young babies can know they've done wrong, but usually once they're told off But It was the amount of strategy he used to get to it - all the while displaying the fact he knew he shouldn't be doing it - that surprised me.

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This one bible passage proves abortions are wrong and honoring Mary is right

by TTWSYF in

nwt luke chapt 1.

41 well, as elizabeth heard the greeting of mary, the infant in her womb leaped, and elizabeth was filled with holy spirit 42 and loudly cried out: “blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruitage of your womb!

43 so how is it that this privilege is mine, to have the mother of my lord come to me?

Diogenesister

PP I actually I read a while back that there were some manuscripts that relate the "Actual" Story of Mary. Supposedly Mary got pregnant by a young Roman soldier. The law of Israel forbid any girl to marry a gentile. At the same time any non-married pregnant Israelite girl was subject to being stone to death.

That would explain why there's no further mention of Joseph in any manuscripts...the rumour is that Joseph; as an older father, had passed away by the time Jesus began his ministry.

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Derek Chauvin - The Right to a Fair Trial

by Simon in

anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.

if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.

there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?

Diogenesister

I heard a lot of people make that point. If someone says they can’t breathe, they are lying. If you can speak, you are moving air across your vocal chords. You can breathe.

No MMM, They’re not lying , they’re panicking. Not many untrained people in that situation are capable of being rational. I expect that’s kinda the point.

The damming evidence in this case is shown by the police's body cam footage when one officer goes to check for a pulse on Floyd's arm and says I dont get a pulse but all the officers there including Chauvin didn't make a motion to turn him over and try to resuscitate him.

I agree. In my view this is the most important point. It’s a question of professional negligence.

There’s a lot of people on this board that have strong feelings both ways about this case.

Would Floyd be alive today if he hadn’t been arrested, or had been arrested by someone else? Possibly, possibly not.

No one comes out of this looking good. Even though Floyd had done some illegal and stupid things, things that led to his arrest that day, the salient point is that whatever the rights and wrongs Derek Chauvin was paid to be the responsible one. Was supposedly trained to be the responsible one, too. A position he willingly took on. So personally I think he should be dishonourably discharged from his post and, given Floyds other issues, because I think it’s impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Derek Chauvin is guilty of Floyds murder, the victim’s family should sue Chauvin, and the other officers, for negligence in a civil court.

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Derek Chauvin - The Right to a Fair Trial

by Simon in

anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.

if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.

there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?

Diogenesister

I understanding is that CPR was performed on Floyd en route and that "Load and Go" actually is the correct procedure

That’s because the chances of someone of surviving heart failure outside of a hospital environment are slim. Also I’m guessing in the ambulance they have a controlled and safe environment in which to focus on the patient, rather than what’s going on around them. I guess that’s especially true in some metropolitan areas, no? “Maintain a safe environment” is literally one of the priorities in patient care.

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WT Says Don't Contract with False Religion, But Does Just That

by Sea Breeze in

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let's all open up our crystals to 2 facet 1: 1 - here we lean about how buddha escapes prism.

Diogenesister

Zactly Stan😂