Posts by Diogenesister

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Davros I can't help but wonder if certain ones in the ex JW community will use the same scrutiny they are giving to Lord Voldemort to defend any active witness who proclaims to be innocent of disgusting accusations like this?

I understand how you feel, particularly if you're a victim of CSA or rape yourself.

The difference is that in a Cong when CSA is reported or you have concerns etc the people involved are flesh and blood individuals whether you know them well personally or not but these are just stuff on the internet written by who knows. I'm just reading stuff online seeing pictures and names that could be copy pasted from a novel for all I know. It's completely a different situation.

We are always told not to automatically trust anything in the virtual world for very good reason.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

If Tibor is gracious,

Lloyd should be cancelled for this catch phrase alone 🤣

Witness my fury email address used was discontinued sometime in the past 20 days, apparently the Marko account has gone dead very recently too. Can you spell RED FLAG?

This doesn't look good. People I hope to god you've done your due diligence. Don't gaslight me by accusing me of not being willing to report CSA. If you had someone actually report it to you that's a million miles away from a bunch of texts gotten who knows where?

I just don't want him let off the hook for what he HAS done.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Look he's just said this Marko doesn't exist. If this is true it's not just Lloyd whose reputation will be ruined.

Lloyds Croation video editor There is no Marko, and that was already proven years ago. But why do research when you can act like a justice warrior? If he does exist, his only relation to Dijana is being Croatian. By that logic I am Dijana's cousin as well. Our country is small but it ain't that small. Also, I love the fact the video about Marko has what appears to be some weird version of the Serbian flag as a thumbnail. The guy posting doesn't even know the difference between Serbia and Croatia

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

Diogenesister

Countries that have lower age-of-consent laws tend to have a "Juliet clause" that limits the age-difference, precisely to protect them from abuse without also criminalizing young people in genuine relationships.

Because there is a world of difference between a 14 year old girl with a 16 year old boyfriend, and a 14 year old girl and a 30 year old man who's groomed her online to meetup in a car-park.

Interesting I didn't know it was called a "Juliet clause".

I fully agree the law needs to protect teens in teen relationships.

It's funny though my 16 yr old sons were saying a few weeks ago how grossed out they were by some kid in their year going out with a girl in year 9 (14)😆🤣🤣Apparently "she's a kid"😜

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

SBF Yes I have real reservations. The last sentence from the girl - "it's best for you to leave. This will not end well for us" for example.

I just think that's not the sort of thing a 14 year old girl would say.... particularly back then. There are some terms that have gained popularity on social media, that were used in the past, but not with such regularity. That one "not end well for" is definitely such a phrase and particularly so for a kid. I agree the phraseology used for "LE" seems very much in character. But if someone were to make it up, the problem they would have would be recreating the "voice" of a 14 year old girl of a given era.

Also, where did this person obtain these messages? Presumably LE would have deleted them so only the girl would have them (and why would she give them to anyone, not being a JW).

Of course if LE confessed to the elders they may have recorded some of it. But given that his father and best friends ran the Cong and supposedly covered it up, why would they allow anyone else access? Particularly a cousin by marriage of his wife in another country?

Curious mind you have convicted him, sentenced him and had him offed in jail all in a couple of weeks. Impressive.

With regard to these text messages yes, I agree. They could be complete fakes.

With regard to his other self confessed, observable behaviour, hypocrisy around representation of women & girls rape & CSA. GAS-lighting Kim and weaponising his followers against her, absolutely

guilty 100%.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

It should be mentioned that the JLE email address in these screenshots would have had to be created between April 2004 and October 2005. In the UK, between October 2005 and sometime in 2010, all new gmail accounts were using googlemail.com as their domain address due to a dispute with another company.

I can attest to that since mine began it's life as Googlemail dot com in the UK at this time and transitioned to Gmail.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Just to say someone on this site claimed the girl I as a JW and he knew her.

From those chats it's obvious the girl is not a JW.

I'm beginning to be suspicious. Do we have any way of confirming this Marko is who he says he was?

If this is made up you guys have played right into his hands. In fact it's likely whoever made this up will be prosecuted. I'd want to be VERY sure of my source before I started making these claims or though Ive gotta say it really reads as he sounds, it really does. That's exactly how he would tweet. Whoever wrote those was definitely British.

The only thing I thought was odd was the last line from the girl.

Nevertheless I wouldn't send this anywhere until you are sure it's true people.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

I have filed yet another complaint with Patreon asking them to investigate and remove Lloyd's account. If you have not done so, please consider contacting them. The video on Marko's statement was included in my newest complaint

Yes his statement on Patreon claims ALL the money goes towards his Hack-tivism activities. I think it's a grey area that needs clarifying legally. I tend to think if he hadn't worded it quite like that he would be untouchable in that regard, legally if not morally.

However I saw a video somewhere by Joel of The Vast Apostate Army and he said back in 2017 or 18 Lloyd fund raised heaps in order to sue them for slander or something.....apparently they didn't so much as receive a cease and desist so in that instance he was definitely receiving money on false premises.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

😯

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JWs don’t use the apocryphal, yet source them

by Anony Mous in

so a quick little note about a few things that i recently learned.

if you ever had the yellow book of bible stories, there was the story of enoch, also repeated in other watchtower publications, about the angels fathering giants and being a menace on earth.

now if you look at the nicean bible, which is the wtbts selection of the bible, it mentions enoch twice and only has a very brief passage about nephilim and ben elohim.

Diogenesister

Wow very interesting! I do remember on one occasion thinking the watchtower referred to an apocryphal source - I think it was Enoch because of course the Bible itself mentions the book of Enoch. I remember being surprised but you're right it hasn't really become a talking point. Good find.