Ai those were t'days....
We cracked us own nuts back then...😜
Even Lloyd Evans aka John Cedar's did
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Can we get some support on the Reddit thread about this since the girl that posted it has had hate messages saying how they would like to see her die and how they want her to die. Post is also not visible because of downvoting. Just make a comment and vote up.
NB The average UK wage is £26,000 p.a. So compare that with Lloyds documented income for context.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Wow Bonnie Zieman left a message under Andrew Gould's video. Didn't know he was a BBC journalist. I couldn't get the whole message in but it continues with " (he)will do whatever it takes to maintain his income stream. Don't let him scare or bully you, Andrew. He is someone struggling with many issues and needs serious help."
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Says he is sure Jessica (he names her) will have memories from this period. Again brings up Ukraine and seeing hospitals being bombed, and says it’s not as bad as that. Says he drove to the Hungary-Ukraine border to pick up refugees.
My god this is awful. Poor kid. But how is that the fault of the Twitterati?? Jessica isn't on Twitter.
What this means is that her parents are fighting - or Lloyd is raging, crying or otherwise acting out of character in front of her.
Those of us who've suffered with narcissistic, aggressive or otherwise damaging parents know exactly what that feels like.😢
He is traumatising her whilst blaming his Twitter followers, Kim & others for his child's state of mind.
A new Low Lloyd.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Where are you getting that number from? Remember: if things are wrong / invented, it gives him ammunition to claim "disinformation", so we need to stick to known facts.
I agree, perhaps I shouldn't have posted that.
He earns ten times the average good wage in Croatia. So I took the average good British wage £2,500 to £3000 per month and X by ten to give Brits an estimation of his standard of living.
1. I should have made that clearer
2. It may not be entirely relevent since Croatia has particularly low earnings and he would probably pay for goods and services/flights etc from companies based outside of Croatia therefore it's probably an inflated estimate in real terms.
I don't like the thought of making posts he can use out of context so please remove it Simon if you want? Might be better.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Simon but yeah "don't listen to the other side" is something that people in the right rarely say.
He's desperate to stop people hearing any side but his, which is really very WT like.
It takes a lot for Simon to compare someone's behaviour to Watchtower's, rightly so.
It's the exjw equivalent to Godwin's law, or Reductio ad Hitlerem.
But when needs must the Devil drives, I suppose. Sometimes the similarity is just so bleedin' obvious there's no other way to describe it!!
For god's sake doesn't Lloyd ever listen to himself? Surely he must see it!
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How to post good quality images
by Diogenesister ini am as just wondering what the best way is to post a good quality image on the forum.
is there anything we can do to improve an image we have?.
alternatively, if anyone has a good link to something that would help, that would be equally great.. cheers all dio x.
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I am as just wondering what the best way is to post a good quality image on the forum. Is there anything we can do to improve an image we have?
Alternatively, If anyone has a good link to something that would help, that would be equally great.
Cheers all Dio x
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Just to say Lloyd is living on the UK equivalent of £25,000 - £30,000 per month. Wow. Explains his behaviour towards other exjw content creators/activists a lot. He's not a narcissist, or not only.
He's a bastard.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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alluded that people are jealous of him because he was an elder and went to MTS. As a result, he has special insight into the brainwashing.
That's absurd. He wasn't even an elder for one year and not only have hundreds of thousands of people have been to MTS, now including women, but even he himself admitted you learn nothing new there!
Aside from the fact we have thousands of apostate ex elders, now we have 'Shepherd the Flock', there is nothing an elder is drilled in that any ex JW wouldn't know.
This is what annoys me when interviewers or more particularly NGO lobby groups or public bodies/advisory groups etc court elders (of which women can never be) as some kind of experts in JW lore. Unless they do so for personal experience eg being on Judicial committee's etc, it continues to exclude women's voices who only tend to be consulted if they themselves are victims of CSA.
Aside from that, would Lloyd have conceived this insight into brainwashing on his own? Without Crises of Conscience, without Olaf Johansson, JWfacts.com or the many books on Cults? I doubt it.
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It's bad. This will answer none of your questions and provides Lloyd with a platform. I strongly urge Kim Silvio and possibly others who have interacted with Lloyd take him up on any offer to explain their side.
As Nicolaou said earlier please anyone making comments on Gold's Facebook etc stick to the facts of the livestream and anything Kim can verify.
As to the reason he is disliked by the community mention the verifiable things he publicly did. It would be good to have a basic list on here for folks to check.
The financials are important, too.
The six figure sum he earns whilst not remunerating his volunteers, who frankly do much of the leg work whilst he jets around on 'holiday.' The fact they did most of the important fact finding is evidenced by his recent videos which are repetitive and mostly income generating "filler".
He's a You tuber - which is fine - but don't call yourself an activist and raise money from the vulnerable off the back off it. Remember the whole Iccsa ball got rolling because of others. He had to hire a lawyer to fight his way in to being core participant having no 'relevance' - not being a survivor or parent of one. Not an academic or expert professional. Just an exjw with a you tube channel - why was he given pride of place? This is what happens when you don't listen to people.
He has raised money for things that haven't materialised time and again, including a documentary and legal fees for court cases that never happened - a couple of times, actually.