Bookmarked, Terry. Thank you!
Cannot believe Time had their number back in 1930. Rutherford turned it into a Californian cult during that period, no question.
He even bagged the obligatory acolyte mistress and a couple of fast cars!
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TIME MAGAZINE -Cult article - singles out Judge Rutherford
by Terry inhttps://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,738983,00.html.
big, blue-eyed judge joseph frederick rutherford, 60, lives in a ten-room spanish mansion, no.
4440 braeburn road.
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Here's a question that I guarantee no one has ever thought of!
by nowwhat? inunlike men who took no note, surely the fallen angels knew of gods plan to flood the earth, so why didn't they build an ark(s) for their nephilum sons?
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The witnesses will answer: Those Wicked Angels care nothing for anyone else. They are far to selfish to care about their children.
More to the point: Why did God create this giant flood killing all humanity, saving one family to start over.....yet this same family are still 'fallen'. They still carrying the same propensity to 'sin' the humans he's just killed had. So a fresh start for humanity.....whatever could go wrong???
Unless the flood happened to really kill the nephalim. In which case this 'loving' God of 'justice' was both unloving and unjust, by murdering millions of innocent people & animals.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Vienne We need to stop the nonsense. What the Watchtower said 100 or so years ago persuades no one, though it may make some feel like it was good to leave.
BottanicPepper It was a coffin nail for me. Not the only one, by any means, but it had a large impact. When I discovered some of the rubbish Rutherford was writing in his multiple books it made it even clearer there was no God backing this "strange" man, or his organisation.
Absolutely. Vienne doesn't understand, having never been a witness. Once you realise the completely crazy, inappropriate behaviour the leader of the faith displayed, at the time their own doctrine claims Jesus choose them as the one true faith, the whole thing collapses. I think whatever happens during the nascent period of the religion is very relevent. It's the very foundations of the faith....after all a house built on sand and all that!!
NB The reason the Aspinall's have a lot of books on their bookshelves is because they are Bookshellers!! That is their job 🙄
Vienne You seem to find anyone who is fairly knowledgeable, both of Biblical doctrine and Watchtower history (having lived it) somehow a threat. Why is that? I don't understand. It doesn't take anything away from the scholarly work of your uncle, Vienne.
NB BottanicPepper 'Vienne' is the young daughter of the original Vienne, who tragically passed away from cancer.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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"Cry-Bullies"
At 0:55 Douglas Murray describes this behaviour perfectly using a term coined by Julie Burchill.
It's a behaviour Lloyd encapsulates perfectly. Bully people in order to get what you want (& protect your income stream) & When you are caught out, present yourself as a victim.
(Douglas happens to be describing the turnaround by "Libs Of Tik Tok" Doxxer Taylor Lorenz, a 'reporter' who only 2 weeks earlier was crying over "bullies" harassing her family & doxxing her.)
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Whits he bumping his gums aboot noo?
Aye that's right. I reckon someone asked if he had paid Mark aka John Redwood
What the deuce is that man on?😂 Does he think we should be impressed he didn't take a fee for going on the Aftermath?😂I guarantee it wouldn't even cross the minds of those with the real stories on aftermath to get paid.
Does he think we're idiots to believe he suddenly decided to pay Marc the last few episodes (£100 quid I think he offered. Not quite the three grand he often gets for livestreams)
Who the hell does he think he is to get an appearance fee for discussing CSA on mainstream shows? If that's what he demands for publicising child abuse its sickening. He's not even a victim and he's certainly not a professional. He didn't even take part in any judicial's around CSA (well, maybe except his own allegedly)😬*
*Probably shouldn't have written that. Should I? Still confused.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Cappy tan gives his reaction to Andrew Gold's talk with qualified psychiatrist Dr. Das on the whole Lloyd Evan's scandal. They get into the whole cult leader question and whether Floyd Devon's has been using his platform to manipulate new & younger members of the exjw community, using tactics he accrued as the son of an elder.
Cappy gives his thoughts......
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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This is a false Equivalence. Just because Journalism can share some characteristics with activism, such as drawing attention to certain issues via the medium of video, there are notable differences.
For example Journalists are trained to verify their sources and provide context. Activists, on the other hand, may do these things sometimes but are not trained to be unbiased. They're likely have extremely one-sided views and opinions.
Another "doctors don't have to itemise or explain their expenditure" argument.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Lloyd: "I wouldn't be here without my patrons, quite literally".
So he admits that if he wasn't getting paid he wouldn't be an activist.
Lloyd, despite being a natural in front of the camera, has basically achieved a slice of fame in our tiny corner of the web almost entirely because he was smart enough to choose some really capable & dedicated volunteers to work for him. Including film makers, lawyers, professional artists & gifted researchers/amateur journalists.
Why do I say they work 'for' him & not 'with' him? Because they volunteer all their time & effort for nothing, whilst all donations go straight to him at the top.
Lloyd Evan's has obviously taken Watchtower's business model straight to heart.
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Nearly complete JW literature collection for sale
by jukief inas many of you know, alan feuerbacher spent 40 years researching watchtower.
during that time, he bought every item of watchtower literature he could find.
his collection is so big that it’s impossible for me to try to catalog it, although i might be able to get some volunteers to help me with that.
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Be careful whom you sell them to, whatever you do. How about Watchtower History. I'll let them know. Would you be willing to sell me a few individual books please? I'm really really desperate to get hold of the 1947 Awake that declared excommunication as unscriptural, Nov '67 Watchtower magazine, The 1927 Creation Book, October 1966 Awake Magazine.
Do you have any of these? I will leave them in my will to a suitable safe organization or uni that studies cults.
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Simon I think IF a branch person was there it is more likely todo with the claim that Lloyd had something over them that he believed he could use to "make a deal".
It sounds a bit like Scandinavia, then, with English the second language. So the translation thing definitely doesn't make sense.
He probably pulled his usual stunt of threatening people to ensure he gets his own way. Hence the Branch Committee guy was called in by the local elders..
I do remember he didn't want the elders putting any pressure on his in-laws and definitely didn't want elder's causing problems over the fact he lived with his in-laws.
He probably said to them you cause any problems for my in laws and I will publicize the fact my father made sure I wasn't disfellowshipped for cheating on my wife. In other words I'll tell the Croation witnesses about "elder privilege & elder kid privilege"