Posts by Diogenesister

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Washington State-Spokesman-Review article: The Silent Witnesses

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/oct/02/the-silent-witnesses-jehovahs-witnesses-covered-up/.

the silent witnesses: jehovah’s witnesses covered up child sexual abuse in washington state for decades, lawsuit alleges.

sun., oct. 2, 2022. by wilson criscioneinvestigatewest.

Diogenesister

Terrible story... The reality is that back in the 70’s child abuse was just not taken seriously, as it is today.. since it always takes place in private it was often assumed that the kid was making it up.

Blues I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I know you're a Brit so it's not an area thing. It was because responsible adult witnesses didn't report it as ordered by Watchtower service department.

In the seventies I was molested. I told my parents. Quick as a flash a police detective was walking me through the area and I showed him how, where and what happened. I was examined by a police surgeon. He was caught. He was convicted. As in the reported case he'd done it to other kids.

Something also happened to my Jehovah's witness neighbour. Her parents DIDNT report it to the police.😡 (Which I wasn't aware of until fairly recently).Yes, kids were definitely less likely to be believed back then and we kids were far less watched. But often the difference between a child that was protected in the end and one that wasn't, was having an ADULT who would REPORT and Watchtower wasn't going to report no matter how many kids came forward. Some parents told them to stick it, though, thank goodness.

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Are Venus and Serena Williams baptized?

by inkling in

has anyone heard actual evidence that they are or are not?.

(besides the absurdity of thier actions that the local elders would have to let slide).

do they even claim to be witneses anymore?.

Diogenesister

Anyone know for sure one way or another?

Breezy I've only ever heard people claim that no, they are not. But if Serena were baptised, she surely would have been disfellowshipped because A) She had her baby out of wedlock, and B) She subsequently married a non believer.

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Ukraine - Nato - US crisis

by mikeflood in

don't understand....but this crisis in ukraine seems to be getting out of control....i mean, everybody knows how to start a war..... by the way, as always, people at the borg are having a field day.....

Diogenesister

Should I move to New Zealand?

Worried,

Chipping Norton.

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Are YOU saved?

by JW Answers in

sadly today, many churches and religious organisations teach their followers that they are saved based on something the bible does not record.

many people are following a lie, and are heading to a lost eternity and do not know it.. my question here is... are you saved?

it's vitally important to know!.

Diogenesister

Van The sanctification process is usually quite painful.

It starts with repentance.

And that repentance is ongoing death to self repentance.

The cross is an invitation to die....to yield to the indwelling Holy Spirit and let Him transform us into Christ's image marred by the fall.

As Christians we need to continually judge ourselves against the scriptures. If we fail to judge ourselves God will judge us...because we are His children.

1 Corinthians 11:31-32 kjv

For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Easy believism has no place in the life of a Christian. We are constantly on death row. How else would we be crowned?

🤣🤣This is JW dot net!!! Every last one of us (unless we were double lifers who got out as teens) has gone through mental hell constantly judging ourselves, in an absolutely vicious manner, as the lowest form of abomination! Talk about a tax collector not lifting your eyes up - many of us didn't even feel worthy to pray. I used to dream with green eyed jealousy of the monks in the Dark Ages who could chastise themselves with a Switch daily!! I thought it must be so much easier than the guilt and mental worthlessness I felt at every thought that entered my head. Let alone each person I did not witness to, whose blood was on my hands. Even as a child I constantly chided myself and begged for forgiveness. When I was 11 I was nearly assaulted bringing food and to witness to what I thought was a "tramp" in a boarded up place. No adults around. Luckily one of his 'buddies' walked in just in time for me to make my escape. Living with my non witness father I didn't understand the witness 'no charity' thing and so strove to do real Christian works.

But no. No JW would ever think being a Christian was a cake walk. Far from it.

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Kongressnachlese 2022 - TV Glotz Kongress

by + in

also ich winke jeden tag meinem tv-gerät und wer von uns hat nicht schon vor wachtturmcomicsbildchen geweint.. wer an dämonen, vampire und wehrwölfe glaubt, der glaubt auch das sich der fernseher freut, wenn ich in seine richtung klatsche.

wenn ich mir alleine vor dem fernseher ein kongressvideo ansehe, stecke ich mir auch mein namensschild an.. in zukunft poste ich nur noch selfies mit meinem fernsehgerät.. und wenn ich in zukunft vor dem fernsehgerät singe stehe ich selbstverständlich dabei auf – denn gott sieht alles, er hört alles und er riecht alles….

kongressnachlese 2022. tv glotz kongress.

Diogenesister

Waton He smells everything... LOL

Yes....but he really really the smell of roast beef!!😜

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Illinois Elders as mandatory reporters must undergo training

by Diogenesister in

illinois now requires all elders as mandatory reporters to undergo state approved training every three years to ensure they fully understand their roles as mandated reporters.

this will include a pre training assessment, 60 - 90 mins of self paced, interactive training with a final assessment to ensure reporters understand their responsibilities.

following the course, mandated reporters must make a declaration that they understand their status as a reporter and will fully comply with mandatory requirements.

Diogenesister

Illinois now requires all elders as mandatory reporters to undergo state approved training every three years to ensure they fully understand their roles as mandated reporters. This will include a pre training assessment, 60 - 90 mins of self paced, interactive training with a final assessment to ensure reporters understand their responsibilities. Following the course, mandated reporters must make a declaration that they understand their status as a reporter and will fully comply with mandatory requirements. They will be issued with a certificate they must keep until the next training date.

Rick Fearon, below, explains how Watchtower is throwing elders under the bus as being on their own and told to state they are 'volunteers' not connected with the organisation. When asked whether they have an employer OR supervisory authority they are to reply NO!

https://youtu.be/JBsYNMRCdDI

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

MsAHe made it clear this was just for filming purposes and he has his regular flat elsewhere.

You're right that's Cobblers!! He's living with Dijana rent free and using this as his knocking shop (he hopes).Unless he's going to sub let a room to someone else...??👯

ToH He wasn't really angry that people thought he was using a green screen.

It's literally the only example he can use of something we've said, that probably wasn't correct - "A LiE!!!" 🤪🤪

TOHI sure hope he's not bringing any 'dates' into a place where he's got a lot of recording equipment...

😁🤣🤣 If Tibor is doing a master's, paid work down Sisak way can't be that bountiful for video editors🤔. How tempting would it be for Tibor to 'accidentally' leave the camera on when he knocks off for the night....
Guess it depends how weird things get....😭 (Forget I ever posted that😈)

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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

by Giles Gray in

i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

Diogenesister

TD Because the generation teaching it its current is an ad hoc explanation. --A definition of convenience specifically formulated to fix the predicament the JW's find themselves in today.

It makes no logical sense outside of that context and isn't meant to

Yes I've always found that to be rather selfish. The younger members of the GB are likely to be the ones left with egg on their faces when we eventually have a GB totally comprised of those anointed after "this generation'".*

I know for sure Mr Cook was NOT anointed when Ray Franz was alive. Therefore, though anointed, he is not part of 'this generation'.

So neither are any new GB likely to be (unless particularly old, which is not likely given watchtower's recent propensity to kick out older Bethelite's).

*Unless the Great Trib begins immediately!!

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'In Search of Christian Freedom'

by riblah in

i cross-posted this on reddit:.

i would love to have a hard copy of this book.

does anyone know about how to go about persuading the person who has the rights to print a batch?.

Diogenesister

Has anyone tried contacting Debra via the publisher of Crises? I believe she takes Rays legacy very seriously, though I've never met her myself.

Newly Enlightened I understood she wasn't well, so ....😔??

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'In Search of Christian Freedom'

by riblah in

i cross-posted this on reddit:.

i would love to have a hard copy of this book.

does anyone know about how to go about persuading the person who has the rights to print a batch?.

Diogenesister

ran across an older thread about this subject on Reddit (it was started by Lloyd Evans, lol!).

It sounds like Deborah Dykstra is not interested in publishing it, for some reason.

I wouldn't listen to ANYTHING Lloyd Evans has to say on the subject.

Despite going through a major bereavement and long illness with her husband, despite her own illness Debra did a marvelous job of fulfilling RAYS wishes in updating crises of conscience with the correct addendum etc and ensuring it was correctly edited etc

In other words doing FULL justice by the book and the author. It is neither quick nor easy to do a proper job of updating and publishing a book like that

Unlike Lloyd who merely did knock off copies, charging for them and adding his own website to the cover. For shame.

I think it really took it out of her so I don't know what's going to happen with "In search". I believe she's not young nor is she well?