Diogenesister

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  New rules for inactive ones?

  by Lynnie in

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  have the rules changed as far as disfellowshipping inactive ones when it's clear they are engaged in "wrongdoing?".

  i have a cousin in seattle who was disfellowshipped about 3 years ago or so and then went through the process of being reinstated (took only 6 months) and then proceeded to fade and do nothing regarding the jw's .

  fast forward to today and now she's had a baby out of wedlock and the uber jw elder father and mother are all on board somehow.

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  It's also because this is likely to be their only grandchild given your cousin's age and her sisters position (unless there's others you didn't mention). If she helps care for the father - even nominally - they'll use the old 'necessary business' clause🙄
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  ToH His main problem is that I don't think he can laugh at himself. If he could, he'd have material to spare.

  Bingo! I guessed he'd base his comedy on his JW years. The problem is when he's exhausted the few JW gags that are 'accessible' to non-JWs, where's he going to get his material from? It's also interesting that for a man whose such a perv, he's actually really straight-laced. All that performative respectability really gives me the Willie's about him. I like comedians who are really straight talking. No pretense.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Tibor is Gracious." WTF? What person walking down the street would have any clue what that means, or care?

  Oh don't 😂I mean I get it's a signal for Tibor to insert a link when he edits, but "gracious"???!! Really? More like 'If Tibor is a donut' he'll allow Cedar's to forever associate his name with the most lame catchphrase in history!!

  It's funny, when it started quite a few of us had the temerity to gently point out that saying it made him sound like a prize numpty 😱 That didn't go over too well with the Old Bedswerver, as you can imagine!!😂😂
  
  
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  How many preaching hours are real

  by Hellothere in

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  how much of the preaching hours in yearly report you think are real?

  they always have high numbers preaching hours.

  probably increase every decade.

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  The visiting elderly is the one part of ministry that should be done.

  Absolutely. But it isn't because you can't count hours on it. Sickening.
  

  Stan : book sales were quite profitable paid for petrol in my car...

  Interesting! I wonder if it was seen as a job during the 30s40s50s etc?? Like other door to door salesmen, because that's why they started door to door, it was just a sales technique. Nothing to do with the Bible.

  I did know people who only counted hours actual door knocking (except for lunch or coffee break). But that was back in the 80s. By the 90s there seemed to be lots of little tricks like leaving tracts in libraries and launderettes miles apart etc We never drove only cycled or walked when preaching, so at least it never cost us petrol money.
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  Christmas, yes or no ?

  by jhine in

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  i have just started to steep the mincemeat for my mince pies in dark rum .

  christmas is a big deal in my family and circle of friends.

  however among ex jws it's a bit different or so l understand.

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  Absolutely I adore Christmas. When I was little I experienced Christmas at my grandparents, so I have fond memories.

  After I left I l volunteered a few times with shelter to give me something to do that didn't make me feel guilty. Then I had my kids and didn't have an excuse, so I went all out (husband's never been a JW). I would even go to church with my brother in Cambridge to hear the choristers at Kings😔

  I love the food but most of all I love the music more than anything and always have, so it's wonderful to be able to sing with gusto (yes I'm one of them!) now I know Watchtower is wrong!!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  JeffT In deed, for some, the victimization may not even start until they are adults.

  Jeff everything you wrote was brilliantly put. I disassociated from a lot in my childhood but it all came out in my life choices related to low self esteem that boarded on hatred. Of course the self worth related to JW doctrine plays right in to that.

  In fact as a kid I had (in some cases still have) coping mechanisms that are very similar and so mistaken for Asbergers and my psychologist/Doctor wasn't sure whether I have it, or rather its trauma based. That's very common apparently. There's so much I wish I could say about it but suffice to say you put it perfectly.😟
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  RayF I got that off another exjw but the contact number and email I posted earlier are accurate

  RaymondF I posted it on here a few pages back and although I would imagine most of the senior members will remain the same (& their numbers) he's obviously been involved with them for some time, because that's the 2021 zoom meeting and this year's was in person. I wonder if some of us should just step in since it's going to be hard for him to attend regularly (now meetings are in person) living in Croatia.

  That's a other reason I don't understand why he's in this group. He has Croation citizenship now & is no longer resident here.

  Although groups are open to anyone I believe you need to request attendance, if anyone is interested.
  
  
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  Songs that help recovery

  by peacefulpete in

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  are there songs that seem to speak to you?

  maybe especially when leaving the church and losing friends and family.

  i still pause when i hear hennly's heart of the matter.

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  Silent_lamb_silent_no_more

  😱😥😥👏👏👏
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  Why isn't this forum growing like reddit exjw??

  by nowwhat? in

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  admittedly it 90% crap over there but still they are up to 80k in subscribers.

  over here it's the same half dozen or so that posts something, including myself.

  why is that?.

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  TOH I also found this site by accident, and there was a long topic about people who had served in Bethel, where they pulled back the curtain on what it was really like.

  Yes the forum is an absolute treasure trove from the days when leaving wasn't easy and took hard work & research. Those people were a special breed.

  I've been on exreddit since 2,000 subs & One thing that annoys me about EXJW Reddit (and I've brought it up with them) is that they term it the "biggest resource for JWs on the internet", which is laughable. They don't link to this forum which in my opinion is by far the biggest in-depth resource.

  So when I've mentioned this forum there or linked to it, because of the name, many redditors think it's a forum for current believing witnesses!!!
  

  I believe the reluctance to link to here stems from the initial influence of Evans& his cronies resenting this forum. It's also partly a political decision. ExjW Reddit has its place & there are many interesting personal stories and news items posted. But much of it is light-hearted memes or rehashed information. They do link to JWfacts.com, but not to here. That in itself is partly a political decision.

  Snare & Racket Right wing US politics were promoted, left wing and liberal ideology mocked.

  Snare I understand and can't disagree with you! But I think much of that stems from sheer frustration at the amount of left wing bias in the main stream media. I'm a lifelong lefty but a deeply fair minded person (even if I do say!) and I cannot stand the suppression of certain news stories and blatant lies they tell. I understand why people come here to sound off. It's got to the point where I no longer wish to pay my TV licence because the BBC is mandated to be impartial and they don't even bother to hide their bias. The urban elite are in charge and are throwing the working classes to the dogs. The left are now the party of suppression of speech, authoritarian war mongers and as for women's rights they have trampled all over us. Let's not forget crime because who does crime really affect? You guessed it ....the poor. Parents rights? Out the door....oh I could go on, sorry🤣I've just done what everyone hates. Anyway I think many come here as a sort of refuge from the insanity. But I get that it's given us a certain reputation.

  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  The following is a link to the minutes and list of attendees at the All party Parliamentary group on Safeguarding in Faith communities. If they weren't members of parliament (or their researchers) all of them belonged to actual faith groups or recognised child protection agencies such as the N.S.P.C.C. What on earth was a You Tuber with no expertise or experience of child protection OR a survivor of abuse, doing there? Particularly one who has admitted online and in person to being a sex tourist. Using Thai girls half his age, the most trafficked in the world and over half of whom are forced into it as children! He's elbowed his way in merely for the sake of making content. Obscene.

  https://imgur.com/a/nydD4Uv