Posts by Diogenesister

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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness church

by OrphanCrow in

deaf aotearoa flooded with complaints about jehovah's witness churchkashka tunstalllast updated 15:22, october 6 2015deaf aotearoa has asked the jehovah's witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.new zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the jehovah's witness church is targeting deaf households.deaf aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.

the organisation released a statement on monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.jehovah witness spokesman rod spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.the deaf aotearoa statement was posted on the group's facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.one woman said a group of jehovah's witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here.

" she said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.hamilton man royce flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.he said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the office of the privacy commissioner.he said he had been been in contact with local labour member of parliament sue moroney.deaf aotearoa acting chief executive jill dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.

Diogenesister

Fisherman Yeah. If it is illegal in UK, JW cannot do that anymore. In the US it is legal. I can’t see why it should not be legal to collect information. It is being done all of the time by different entities so why target JW unless it is a pretext to get back at them.

You are right Fisher One. Tec companies do it all the time making a small fortune out of our personal information and shopping habits. I suppose the difference is consent. Though few of us churn through the small print to find out how they're using it - witnesses collate info without informing us at all. Not even in the small print!! There is no reciprocal benefit as there is with the Tec companies since we use their product. If you're referring to governments etc, the same could be said for them....there is a degree of reciprocity. Watchtower only ever does anything with itself in mind!

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Deaf Aotearoa flooded with complaints about Jehovah's Witness church

by OrphanCrow in

deaf aotearoa flooded with complaints about jehovah's witness churchkashka tunstalllast updated 15:22, october 6 2015deaf aotearoa has asked the jehovah's witness church to respond to claims of a deaf information database.new zealand's deaf community is fed up with unsolicited house calls, claiming the jehovah's witness church is targeting deaf households.deaf aotearoa has received multiple complaints from around the country and says church members visited certain homes because they were aware a deaf person lived there.

the organisation released a statement on monday, saying it was looking into the possibility the church holds a database listing the details of members of the deaf community.jehovah witness spokesman rod spinks said there was no such database and deaf people were not being targeted.the deaf aotearoa statement was posted on the group's facebook page, and received a flood of comments from frustrated people.one woman said a group of jehovah's witnesses had come to her house and asked "for the deaf person who lives here.

" she said they refused to explain how they had her details and didn't visit her neighbours.another said church members had turned up at her work and asked for her by name.hamilton man royce flynn said he had been visited six times over the last nine months, despite repeatedly saying he was uninterested in the house calls.he said the church members were always able to sign and also brought deaf people along, which lead him to believe he was being singled out.flynn said contacted local police, who told him it was a privacy issue and referred him on to the office of the privacy commissioner.he said he had been been in contact with local labour member of parliament sue moroney.deaf aotearoa acting chief executive jill dean said complaints about the church were a recurring issue.

Diogenesister

Ixonegal I refused to witness to them because I felt it was wrong for me as I was someone that they trusted to keep their information private. When I took the job at work, I was bound to ethical and confidentiality rules.

Vintage I'm not sure if Ixonegal is still on the site if it's been a year since she posted. Whoever she is, she's a rare and conscientious witness not to break "worldly" confidentiality for the organisation. Without wanting to cause offense here, I have to say I've found these principals tend to be found among converts, rather than those raised in.

They use the scripture about following God's rules, rather than men's, to excuse breaking their ethics.

But of course God doesn't ask you to break professional (& personal) codes of conduct. Watchtower does. They have no respect for anyone.You are more likely to loose trust than gain it among clients, patients, colleagues and friends if they believe you cannot be trusted not to break a confidence. I've heard of numerous nurses informing elders of information they came about during the course of their duties. Information they have promised not to reveal outside of the healthcare setting without prior consent.

Orphan Crow Has done AMAZING work in this area of watchtower targeting vulnerable groups. Particularly first Nations and indigenous people & those small languages groups that watchtower obtains grants to preach to, because they are publishing in minority languages. Also on watchtower, blood & their military contacts. I highly recommend folks check out her posts on these subjects.

Vintage I highly commend your idea. I only wish I could help. I used to use makaton with my special needs kiddies many years ago but I'm very rusty!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Also, Dijana appears to have a huge extended family, with Lloyd commenting that she had "millions of cousins" and spoke of staying at her grandfather's and uncle's place.

Well that answers one of my questions, then. There are cousin's.

Lloyd claimed Dijana didn't have a "cousin named Marko". Probably an intentional obfuscation since "Marko" was a pseudonym and anyway claimed to be married to a cousin.

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No Private Beliefs Allowed!

by BereanThinker7 in

looking for references that talk about witnesses not being able to hold any private interpretation or belief that isn't in line with official doctrine.

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i know i've seen them before but of course now i can't find any of the more in your face statements..

Diogenesister

Watchtower 62 6/15 "Avoid unprofitable questions" discusses not questioning official JW doctrine.

Watchtower 67 1/10 "following Faithful shepherds with life in view"

"be complete in accepting the visible organization's direction in every aspect". There is no need to question what God tells them through his Word and organization since love "believes all things"

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

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this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

Diogenesister

I honestly think all this stuff about drunken fondling of daughter-in-law's is hooey. Morris is a hard line witness he's very unlikely to behave like that ( unless he was going into diabetic coma etc). As far as I'm aware he has a deep love for his wife and sons.

Rather than being in the wrong I think it's far more likely it's Morris that's taken the hard line in a clash over doctrine or policy. (The others Possibly using Morris' fondness for alcohol as an excuse to have him removed).

They may have clashed over Serena Williams being allowed to publicly associate with political organizations like the NAACP without any consequences. It may seem petty but old style JWs would take a very dim view of it and you'd never get away with it back in the day.

As to finances, provided he hasn't been DF (very unlikely), he'll be taken care of by the organization. They will have learned their lesson from Ray Franz. Anyway he still has a US veterans (active service) pension to fall back on.

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Diogenesister

Fisherman Although we probably don't share the same views, thank you for at least engaging with me. I appreciate it.

I think people who make veiled threats about what will happen after death, without at least being willing to debate....well....shouldn't.

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

Diogenesister

I think the Governing Body update says it all.

They show a shot of someone pouring alcohol. Then they go on to talk about egotism and always thinking you are right. They follow it up with a bit on showing humility in spirit and attending the memorial despite your differences with your brothers.

It's like a giant local needs for Toni 😂😂😭

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

LMsA That's horrific. And this because she didn't want her story printed in that absurd little booklet he wrote? (after stealing someone else's idea).

He has to make everything so public, doesn't he? He has to be validated by everyone else! Even when he's been banging prostitutes behind his wife's back he still wants people to stroke his ego and tell him it's his prerogative if he want! So he can say to Dijana "See? See how lucky you are to have me?!!" Only this time it didn't work.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Slim Ive mentioned before that, much as I disliked LE from years back, I still would have had a difficult time believing the things Kim disclosed were it not for his own livestream confirming it all.

That's because it wouldn't enter the wildest dreams of decent men.

I'm afraid, though, I wasn't in the least surprised.

I'm not a man hater. Ive had, and have, the most wonderful men in my life - Sons, husband, grandfather's. But I've also had experience with, let's just say men like Lloyd. I observed it in his attitude and behaviour toward women repeatedly.

I also don't believe for a minute that Dijana has control of the family finances. For a start she'd immediately notice unaccounted money going missing, but anyway it's not in the nature of a man like Lloyd. He's a double lifer. He probably always has been since his youth as an elders son. He enjoys getting away with it. But he also enjoys "bragging". It's one of the reasons he told PB & Kim his dirty little secrets. He got a kick out of it because they're both women, yes, but he also expects women to keep his secrets.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

She deleted her account soon afterwards as the Cedars goon squad was still on patrol in February 2022 and giving her a lot of hate for it.

Are there any screen shots of any of this? I don't mean to post it whatsoever, but to privately make Iicsa aware of his behaviour toward victims and their families. I'm aware he has survivors still willing to vouch for him, but that won't matter to Iicsa if there is evidence of even one instance of this kind of behaviour toward survivors in particular.