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  Again, More confusion about the direction of the Watchtower Society

  by Truth and Justice in

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  hi friends, i have not been on this board in awhile, and i would like to get some thoughts from some of you.

  i have noticed a change within my 4 siblings in approximately the last year and a half to 2 years regarding their communication with my mother and i. they have either phoned us, texted, emailed, or written a letter or card to us.

  the conversation has been good, and on any topic that comes to mind.

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  And up until recently, I never thought that the GB would try to reform the Church ... and yet now we are seeing signs of them trying.

  But do they have the courage, to do a good job of it? Or will the reluctance for change, make them want to drag things out, too long? I just don't know.

  No Zombie My old pal I think it's all about money (as usual!). Donations are going down and their 'outside consultancy firm' has probably told them if they want to keep the coffers coming in, they need to stop hemorrhaging JWs and lighten up.

  Of course we also have plenty of PiMOs not donating now, too!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Well Barbara Anderson said he's not only inaccurate in statements he's made to British media, but she made it pretty clear in Saturdays podcast she finds it abhorrent that a certain exjw you tuber is paid a monthly salary for his for-profit 'hacktivism' without which he'd have no interest in it.

  I concur with Barb - a true activist driven by genuine principals for whom we all have enormous respect.
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  Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

  why don't the jw's do the same?.

  from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

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  Apocrypha or church father writings or folk tales etc don't carry any weight for JW's, as I'm sure you know.

  And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin. - Gen 35: 18

  I don't see any mention of it, or any concept here. She called him a different name to his father? Either on her death bed or before?

  he went and preached unto the spirits in prison” (hell) and then he raised himself from the dead…. while he was dead.

  Preaching to angels or spirit creatures?
  
  
  
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  Heretic!!!

  by cellomould in

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  after the roman church had consolidated its power in the early middle ages, heretics came to be regarded as enemies of society.

  the crime of heresy was defined as a deliberate denial of an article of truth of the catholic faith, and a public and obstinate persistence in that alleged error.

  at this time, there was a sense of christian unity among townspeople and rulers alike, and most of them agreed with the church that heretics seemed to threaten society itself.. however, the repression of heresy remained unorganized, and with the large scale heresies in the 11th and 12th centuries, pope gregory ix instituted the papal inquisition in 1231 for the apprehension and trial of heretics.

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  I thought the reason the church burned people at the stake was because they could not shed blood (clearly an absurd "work around". A perfect example of the letter of the law but not the spirit).

  Saying the church is holy but the people transgress....well, I'm not buying it. The people are the church.

  However, I find your argument about the threat non European's pretending to be Christian posed, whilst spying for the Caliphate. A compelling reason to take drastic action, Since the caliphate wished to reconquer Spain. But what of the Jews? The church cannot claim the conversos were a threat?

  Interesting Watchtower judicial meetings follow the exact same methodology the Spanish inquisition used, according to Dr. Jim Penton!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Oh boy. If Cedars gets a monthly salary from a wealthy donor, does it even make any difference if others stop donating? He'll continue regardless.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Jeff I was going to say (again) that I don't think the word "churn" means what he thinks it does.

  Jeff he's picked up on what I call "tube speak" - Many you tubers not only use specific terms, but they even have their own inflections or prosody.. the intonation of their words and they way they stress (or don't) speech. I find it fascinating in an annoying kind of way. Anyway he's picked up on that term, for some reason. Maybe he thinks it resonates with his younger audience. Me I think it sounds like what it is....repetitive, mindless junk (those 'sushi's' for one).

  Tonus some of his performances could be described as stomach-churning, so there's that.

  😂😂😂
  
  
  
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  Dates and times

  by jhine in

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  last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

  we have been working through the whole letter.

  verses 1-11 start with .

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  Dio , yes it is Tamworth in Staffordshire are you close?

  Jan from Tam.

  No. I wish I were. Lovely place.😊

  I'm in dreary London. Mind you Dulwich is a nice part we have 5 parks all walking distance.
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  Attended the KH recently and found it to be thoroughly therapeutic.

  by joe134cd in

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  i had to attend a family event recently which involved attending the kh.

  before i went i had it in my mind this was going to be a different experience.

  tbh i’ve had an interest in super hero socks.

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  😂😂😂

  Gotta love it when our religion is so barmy we get a thrill out of sticking it to the man with superman sox. 👍🏻😂
  
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  Barbara Anderson's important interview with Aussie activist Steven Unthank on Six Screens Mar. 2nd

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  Why SixScreens / Rick Fearon?

  Vidiot Barb does interviews every fortnight at the moment on the channel.

  I for one am very grateful we have the opportunity to listen to Barb and that Rick has captured them for posterity. The other positive is that everyone is able to call in and speak to Barb, to pose questions to her and I think that's a fantastic thing. Particularly for older ones among us who may be isolated or disabled/unwell. It's a real community
  
  
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  Barbara Anderson's important interview with Aussie activist Steven Unthank on Six Screens Mar. 2nd

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  Thank you Barb looking forward to it!

  That's 21.30 pm UK time. Look up You Tube "Rick Fearon" and click on Live.