Nomad soul Cedars, with all due respect, I think you're a weirdo.
There I said it.
I second that e-motion
Diogenesister
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THANK YOU Steven Unthank
by cedars inohiocowboy has just posted this information on the two other threads dealing with the sudden collapse of the unthank cases.. i don't know steven unthank, but i just want to thank him from the bottom of my heart for having the courage against overwhelming odds to try and bring the watch tower society to justice over their deplorable neglect when it comes to protecting children from abuse and molestation.. steven is a man of justice and integrity who i deeply admire.
his actions will never be forgotten, and i only hope he can find it within himself to continue his work in whatever avenue may become available in the future.. they have won this battle, but they can never win the war.. .
cedars.
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90 DAY DISFELLOWSHIPPING!!!
by DisgruntledFool inhas anyone else caught this tidbit in the new s-395 instructions?:.
"if the individual is not an apostate or actively promoting wrongdoing, they will also inform him that they would like to meet with him again in three months to determine if he has had a change of heart.
in some cases, but not all, the committee may determine that there is basis for reinstating the individual at that time".
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Slim The second is less likely if their overarching concern is to make reforms that please governments. They may see reform getting out of hand but conclude that a crackdown is not viable at that point.
After telling JWs for decades to prepare themselves for "persecution" (and using it as a 'mark' of their authenticity as Christians), it appears they fear government censure above all else!!?
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90 DAY DISFELLOWSHIPPING!!!
by DisgruntledFool inhas anyone else caught this tidbit in the new s-395 instructions?:.
"if the individual is not an apostate or actively promoting wrongdoing, they will also inform him that they would like to meet with him again in three months to determine if he has had a change of heart.
in some cases, but not all, the committee may determine that there is basis for reinstating the individual at that time".
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So Watchtower can argue in court that shunning is equivalent to a spiritual "Time out". A mere "naughty step" if you will, with a short upper time limit. Nothing to see here....🤷🏻‍♀️
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Punkofnice
by jhine indoes anyone know how punky is ?
he hasn't posted in a while ?
jan from tam .
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Jan I'm sure he has a Facebook....or his band does?I'll try to find it
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Punkofnice
by jhine indoes anyone know how punky is ?
he hasn't posted in a while ?
jan from tam .
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OMG uncle punky!
Orson calling punky...come in Punky...nanu nanu??
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Listener good catch! Interesting wording....perhaps to avoid legal responsibility for the Governing Body as a whole??
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Petition against Ostracism Practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://peticaopublica.com.br/pview.aspx?pi=br137007.
petition against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.
public petition: against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.
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BbqbobThey use 1 Corinthians 5:11-13. Can you explain how this does not apply to Christians?
Even If you accept that 1.cor 5 is a direct command to shun adult Christians who engage in the sins as listed, what about the many, many witnesses who are shunned for disassociating? Or merely stating they don't accept the two class system for Christian's as per Watchtower doctrine? For not accepting the GB is the faithful slave? For accepting a blood transfusion or for disobeying the branch and reporting child abuse to the authorities? What about the shunning of abuse victims who stop attending meetings their abusers attend and leave the religion that protects them? Victims of domestic violence who leave home - even if they don't remarry??
We hear stories of such shunning again and again!
Our own Barbara Anderson on this board is shunned by her only child and prevented from seeing her grandchild, all for protecting children in the congregations!
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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One point he tried to drill that made little sense was how the book of Deuteronomy only forbade men from dressing like women, not necessarily transitioning to women.
Riiiiight......even bronze age tribal peoples understood human biology well enough to know men can't change sex.....
......but then if Rutherford was doo- lally enough to think men becoming women was a "well established fact" why not cult leader 2.0 Lloyd "Evan's Gate" Evan's?
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New light on shunning?
by Mikejw inone theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.
he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .
what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.
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Notty What are the odds they coincidentally get new light from Jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?
I agree they're going to have to get around it when it comes to minors, because that's the issue that caught the Norwegian govts attention.
With adults it may have been harder to argue around the whole freedom of belief thing in court.
However they are in a tight spot, because on the one hand the easy, most straightforward solution is to stop minors being baptised in the first place. That way there's no disfellowshipping/shunning of minors without the need to make major doctrinal changes.
But getting kids baptised and locked in through fear of loosing everybody, and everything, they've ever known is just about the only way they get new members. The risk in waiting until the kids of JWs are 18 to get baptised is that it leaves them enough time & maturity to start researching and/or thinking for themselves. The risk they become independent enough - emotionally & financially - to say 'no' to parental demands to join the religion.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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LMsA I doubt there’s much more to the Tibor dispute than money.
Yup. At bottom, Just like Watchtower, with Cedars it's really only about the ¢a$h mon€¥