Posts by Diogenesister

OK they do have the Bethel choir/the one they use to make official recordings & video's. But I've never gotten why say circuits can't have their own choirs (and orchestra's) - especially for conventions and weddings etc

Music is a huge part of worship in the western tradition and nothing brings people together like it. Just another thing JWs are deprived of😟

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Can God Change his Mind?

by peacefulpete in

is 31:yet he also is wise and will bring disaster and does not retract his words.. 1 sam 15: furthermore, the eternal one of israel does not lie or change his mind, for he is not man who changes his mind.. numbers 23: god is not a man who lies, or a son of man who changes his mind.

does he speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?.

when the god you worship pronounces judgement, is he, really just issuing a warning or has the matter been determined through all the godly powers of insight, foresight and perfect judgement?

Diogenesister

Sea Breeze But how can you say it was conditional? Because it didn't come to pass? Surely "I will destroy Nineveh in 40 days " is just as definitive a statement as "your house and kingdom will endure forever"??

Perhaps things happen and humans, seeing agency in everything as an evolutionary survival adaptation, see "the hand of god" in the unexplainable (such as the tragic death of king David's baby). Or perhaps use Gods anger as a convenient excuse for, say, loosing a war, or a volcano destroying a city (or not as the case may be).

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Need old account deleted

by Test1 in

need old account deleted.will an admin assist me in this?

thank you in advance..

Diogenesister

When Simon see's your issue he may be able to help. He's in Canada for reference (in terms of the timescale - when to expect a reply).

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Why Punk of Nice as a name?

by punkofnice in

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there.

my secret is out..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dmkui8tphg.

Diogenesister

Punky.....earth to punk, come in Punk.....earth calling punk, over...😟😟😟

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

He probably rationalized his visiting of Thai prostitutes as 'self-care'.

🎯Yup. In those narcissistic, cruel letters he wrote to Dijana, when quoting her objection to him driving off to pick up hookers in the family car, he styled doing so as "Self Care days"🤢🤮

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"Everyone Wants To Leave"

by NotFormer in

a thread about steve hassan re-emerged and got me looking him up.

his wikipedia entry had a point under "criticism" that there is an underlying assumption in his approach that all members of high control groups ultimately want to leave*.. while it is generally believed that there are a lot of pimos still attending, doing field service and giving lip service to the wt, i doubt that everyone within the congregations want to get out.

it's not always internally and logically consistent, but it's been around long enough for enough workarounds to make it tolerable to emerge.. what do you think?

Diogenesister

Especially when it is so onerous that you realize you are looking bad, such as not taking part in a charity drive or other helpful community activity. Or not observing holidays to such a degree that you respond to "Merry Christmas" by either offering a flat "thank you" or pretending you did not hear them. I think there is a part of us that feels left out socially, and that hurts because we are social creatures

You've just perfectly described my experience as a witness. The charity thing always irked me so much.

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"Everyone Wants To Leave"

by NotFormer in

a thread about steve hassan re-emerged and got me looking him up.

his wikipedia entry had a point under "criticism" that there is an underlying assumption in his approach that all members of high control groups ultimately want to leave*.. while it is generally believed that there are a lot of pimos still attending, doing field service and giving lip service to the wt, i doubt that everyone within the congregations want to get out.

it's not always internally and logically consistent, but it's been around long enough for enough workarounds to make it tolerable to emerge.. what do you think?

Diogenesister

I always think the way humans compartmentalise is the real key as to why we seem to 'know' without knowing. Why we can believe what we do is all to the good, whilst being patently bad in the eyes of most reasonable people.

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Watchtower intentionally misleading the court?

by Vanderhoven7 in

seems to me wt lawyers and witnesses cannot be trusted even under oath.. mara mitchell writes.

as far as their family members are concerned, normal family relations continue with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”.

attached is a video on how watchtower presents family members being treated by their family when defending themselves in court.. .

Diogenesister

Vandy In fairness to Watchtower, the author's thumbnail makes him appear younger than 50. This is relevent because, in the 70s, we were taught you may have anything but spiritual association with DF family. I must caveat this statement that I'm from the UK and I don't know if it was different elsewhere, or for appointed males (some of us were pioneers, though).

I appreciate Watchtower became far more hard-line a short while later in the early-mid 80s.

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Governing Body's New Light on Standards of Dress

by NotFormer in

for the uninitiated, budgie smugglers are a tight pair of men's swimming briefs that leave very little to the imagination.

for some reason favoured by old men on australian beaches... .

in case the writing is too small, here's the transcript:.

Diogenesister

🤣😂😂budgie smugglers...love it.

* can be read fine & I quite often can't with imbedded pics