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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

Did Jesus Claim to Be God? Part 5: The Conduct of God

We’ve seen how Jesus revealed Himself to be God by His verbal claims. Let’s now look at His actions, which clearly prove that He truly was who He claimed to be.

Though Jesus spoke with the authority of God, His actions hammered home this truth with even greater impact. Turning to John chapter five, we find Jesus being criticized for healing an invalid during the Sabbath (John 5:16-18), a sacred day set aside from all work to commemorate God’s act of creation. Now Jesus justified His actions reasoning that God the Father was also at work, even on the Sabbath day, thereby claiming for Himself a prerogative reserved solely for God. Only if Jesus is God can we say that He in no wise violated God’s law regarding the Sabbath.

In another instance Jesus forgave the sins of a paralytic man — to which the “teachers of the law” rightly asked, “Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Jesus answered by reemphasizing His authority to forgive sins, and then proved it by healing the man (Mark 2:1-12; cf. Matt. 9:1-8; Luke 5:17-26). Jesus again claimed for Himself a prerogative reserved solely for God. Only if Jesus is God could He have actually forgiven sins the way He did.

Moreover, numerous individuals worshiped Jesus Christ (Matt. 2:11; 14:33; Luke 24:52). Considering the stern commands given by God to worship Him alone, we might conclude that Jesus attempted to correct such “misdirected” worship. But, no! We find, instead, Jesus openly welcoming people’s praises — praises belonging exclusively to God.

Where do we go to from here? Well, as one Christian scholar put it: “You can shut [Jesus] up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God,” (John 20:28-29.). You can’t, however, deny that Jesus claimed to be God. He has not left that option open to us. The real question is, “Whose words are you going to trust — Jesus’ or the cults?” Decide wisely, your destiny depends on it.

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

To aguest

you askedI don’t understand: when is doing good for the sake of doing good WRONG? ...let me put it this way....start doing good without God in the equation or Jesus commands as in Mathew 5:43-48... would that make sense to you? We do good and do good works and understand the purpose of those good works becuase we have a correct view about good works according to GOD and his commands.... while ungodly people do good works with the wrong view, not God's view, only their view or devil view or both...thats why i said doing good works for the sake of good is useless otherwise we will be acting like mere ungodly man.... and doing good works for the sake of good works is serving only the "good" but not the ONLY ONE GOOD "GOD" and not every good work/deed is good...look at David life when he committed his sin with Besheba...was trying to be good and do good deed to beshebas husband with the purpose of hiding his sin...that is acting like pure ungodly man..david acted like a fool but he repented acting like a godly man

I am not going against my Saviour thats your opinion not a fact...you should know better than that after i clearly posted Phil 4:8-9...here the Apostle Paul is echoing Jesus words from the Sermon on the Mount...and i am echoing Paul words....hope that clear your confusion if not...try this..start doing good without GOD in the equation or His laws or commandments...then tell me how you feel....talk to you later...

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

To Aguest;

Hola...La paz de Dios sea contigo....

Thanks for waiting and i forgot to mention that i have some other questions for you..i will ask you later..

in the meantime let me said something regardin your comments about g Mr Hanergraff...i dont think in anyway Hanergraff is saying Jesus is the Father as you stated...

First, verse 18 should show us ABSOLUTELY that the Son is NOT the Father:

As you know, we (not you) dont believe that the Trinity is one person one GOD..is three person one GOD...The Father is not the Son and viceversa. The Son is not the Spirit and viceversa and The Spirit is not the Father and viceversa...The bible clearly and explicit makes that distinction...I know some christian that think that the Father is the Son and the Son is the Spirit and the Spirit is the Father...in other words everybody is everybody....thats wrong...that wont make sense and to think that.... one have to go over the bible...

you said Now, verse 19, which is probably the MOST misstated, misquoted, and mistransliterated verse in the entire Bible. The TRUE rendering of this verses is:

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father… INTO the Son… IN holy spirit.” ....now since you claim that this is the correct rendering where is the hard evidence?....like manuscripts...give me the link or the info so i can look at it.... the verses that you gave doesn't prove your case only prove the case(some text not all you gave) of the baptism of the HS

I do believe that there is the baptism of the Holy Spirit and to understand one have to start in 1 cor 12:13 (this is where i would begin..your may be different) .This baptism is only perform by the HS not by us...so obviously Jesus is not saying that we have to baptize diciples in HS...Baptizing diciples in HS is the job of Jesus according to John 1:33 and other texts . We are only to baptize in the name..what name? Father, Son, HS.

Personally this verse always intrigues me...how Jesus said one name and then mention three person or identities...what truly was saying?...is he implying that there is one name for the three persons? or by saying "name" was implying that all diciples have to id themselves with the Father, Son, HS?..i dont know may be is simple or not..well....i do have my own personal questions when reading the bible...but none of them is going to sink or destroy my faith in Jesus Christ My LORD AND SAVIOR...AMEN....

about the parables..not all parables talks about jesus..agree or not? and all parables are revealing a truth of GOD to that specific audience Jesus was talking to...agree or not? and how far are we to take those parables and applied them to our life?... to understand parables lets start here

mathew 13:10-18

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘ Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and notperceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their earsare hard of hearing,
And their eyes they haveclosed,
Lest they should see withtheireyes and hear withtheirears,
Lest they should understand withtheirhearts and turn,
So that Ishould [ a ] heal them.’ [ b ]

16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

................hasta luego....

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

Did Jesus Claim to Be God? Part 4: God's Old Testament Names, Titles, and Images

Besides using the titles the Son of Man and the Son of God, Jesus applied to Himself in a unique way the names and images referring exclusively to God. How does Jesus’ special usage relate to His claim to deity?

In the ancient times, a name had a great significance and was deemed “virtually equivalent to whoever or whatever it bore.” Thus, when Jesus paralleled His own name with that of God’s, or when He applied to Himself the names and images associated with God, we can reasonably conclude that Jesus was, in fact, claiming to be God.

We find, for example, in the Great Commission (Matt. 28:18-20), that Jesus placed His name as the Son on equal footing with the Father, who is God (v. 19). This passage also reveals certain attributes of the Son like omnipotence (v. 18; cf. Jer. 32:17, 27), and omnipresence, which can apply only to someone who is God (v. 20; cf. Matt. 18:20; Ps. 139:7-12; Jer. 23:24). Furthermore, in claiming to be the only one who knows God (Matt. 11:27), Jesus implicitly admitted to being omniscient since the Father, of course, is Himself omniscient.

Jesus also took for Himself several Old Testament metaphors reserved solely for God. He sometimes applied them directly to Himself, as in the case of the title the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14; cf. Gen. 49:24; Ps. 23). On other occasions, Jesus took an indirect approach, referring to Himself in the parables as the Sower, the Bridegroom, the Vineyard Owner, and, in fact, the King—each of which can be traced back to Old Testament references to God.

But of these titles, none angered the religious officials of His day as when Jesus said of Himself, “I AM,” thus asserting to be eternal in words echoing those of YHWH (John 8:58; cf. Ex. 3:14). Jesus’ claim to be God in this instance was so clear and unmistakable that those who considered His assertion false, in fact blasphemous, tried to stone Him to death immediately (John 8:59; cf. Lev. 24:13-16).

By His own admission, Jesus undeniably claimed to be God. And He bolstered His pronouncements with actions, which we’ll look at...in the next CRI Perspective. I’m Hank Hanegraaff.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION

For more information on this topic, please consult our Web site at www.equip.org ; write to us at P. O. Box 8500, Charlotte, NC 28271-8500; or contact us using the other information listed above.

We also recommend the book Jesus, Divine Messiah: The New and Old Testament Witness by Robert L. Reymond (B912/$29.99). This resource is available through CRI

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

To: desings

Thanks for the warning and advice and for reading the article....

You do realize that all of the arguments you have just presented are used other groups drawing a different scenario and conclusion...absolutely and thats what i like about them..they are using their brain...bad or good cause but at least they are using it

It has not been settled in 2000 years of bloodshed over these issues but has certainly made the Churches look like fools and the perpetrators of violence the least Christ-like....i agree but it is not my or your responsiblity or fault that these so called chirstians are acting like mere ungodly man and i will not stop just because these so called christians are doing ungodly thing...would you stop eating knowing other peoples are getting cholestoerol or diseases or companies are making unhealthy meals?...i dont think so... cause you already know and still eating

something that i learned long time ago was this truth..the truth of GOD can be abused and it can be view and applied incorrectly....that is not my fault if someone decides to do harm with God's truth...I will be responsible for presenting that truth in a fear and just manner cuase i know someday i will be judge (1 Cor 3)

Drop off food at the local Food Bank, visit someone in a Care Facility, plant a tree and join a clean up crew in your town, people will see the God-ness in followers of Jesus far more than arguing....doin good for the sake of good is useless...doing good so people see our good works so they can glorified the Father in heaven...YYYYEEEEESSSS....Any body can do good but how do i know they are godly people or i am bound to think just because you do good your a Jesus follower?..NO...you see i believe in orthoxy and orthopraxy both have to go hand in hand...right know im doing orthodoxy...telling people in here the truth of GOD regarding his trinity, the correct view of GOD according to scriptures, and if it needs to be argued or debated i will do my best at it....we both know that the doctrine has caused so much controversy but really the one that are causing the most controversy and harm (spiritual blood shed) are those who says jesus is not GOD...with that statement your eternity is in danger and since i know the truth i will do my best to proclaim it....in the mean time i will do good works too with a godly purpose....

Phil 4:8-9 8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

To Aguest: Peace to you

I see that you are considering and reading my post...good....If you are wondering if these wrods are mines...no...they are from Hank Hannergraff and if you have any disagreement with his artilces i will not defend him but point you at him....call him at (888) 700-0274, or, (888) 275-4265 and speak to him......

i have read your answers to my questions and i want to say ..thank you...i will love to comment on them but not at this moment..just ask you to be patient...your friend javig......i hope people in here read everything about this issue(is jesus a god?) and pray about it and not just reading about it..................hasta luego amiga ................

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

Did Jesus Claim to Be God? Part 3: The Son of Man & The Son of God

THE SON OF MAN- IntroductionIn the last two Perspectives, we examined the question of whether or not Jesus said He was God. Is there hard evidence proving that Jesus claimed to be God?

THE SON OF MAN- Origin of the Title
Looking at the Bible, we find that Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of Man no less than 82 times. This title comes from Daniel 7, which speaks of a figure, Israel personified, who will rule over the nations of the earth for all time. In that passage, we read that the Son of Man “was given authority, glory and even sovereign power” — things that God alone, the One who said, “I will not give my glory to another” ( Isa. 42:8 ; 48:11 ) — can hold and exercise.

THE SON OF MAN- The Son of Man will be worshipped Furthermore, we find that “all peoples, and all nations and men of every language will worship” the Son of Man, which would only make sense if the Son of Man is none other than God Himself. God sternly forbids the worship of anyone or anything other than Himself. We can thereby conclude that Jesus, in calling Himself the Son of Man, was indeed claiming to be God.

THE SON OF MAN- God's Infinite Knowledge Jesus reinforces this conclusion each time He claims to be unique, the Son of God, the only One Who knows God the Father. Consider this: if God’s depth of knowledge and understanding is infinite, Who but God alone can fully grasp it? Yet Jesus says He knows.

THE SON OF MAN- Blasphemy or Truth? The Jews tried to stone Him because in “calling God His own Father, Jesus was making Himself equal with God” (John 5:18). To this charge, Jesus merely replied that “All are to honor the Son just as they honor the Father.” In other words, Jesus claimed the honor due Him is equivalent to the honor due God. Such a statement is sheer blasphemy unless Jesus was, in fact, God.

THE SON OF MAN- Conclusion We’ve only scratched the surface in this segment, so I want you to be sure and tune in to the next two Perspectives — we will continue to explore how Jesus claimed that He was, in fact, God.

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

Did Jesus Claim to Be God? Part 2: The Question Clarified

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DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD- Introduction
In our last CRI Perspective, we talked about the importance of determining whether or not Jesus Christ in fact claimed to be God. Someone may ask, can’t someone just cite a passage in the Bible where Jesus declared “I am God,” thereby resolving this whole issue one way or the other for all time?

DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD- Customized Passage When people challenge Christians to prove that Jesus said He was God, they typically expect to be shown a “customized” passage from the Bible, quickly rejecting any passage cited that isn’t phrased exactly the way they want it to be. Approaching the question with this kind of an attitude can only lead to erroneous conclusions.

DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD- Did He? What needs to be determined is whether Jesus did, in fact, claim to be God in terms understandable to that particular era and to that particular geographical region, and not necessarily to ours.

DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD- Misunderstanding the Message Besides, to expect Jesus to boldly and brazenly proclaim that He was God is to misunderstand altogether His very character and His mission as the Messiah. After all, would a man of perfect humility and servitude, a man who came to glorify His Father in heaven, be true to this task if He focused attention on Himself rather than pointing to the Father? Of course not!

DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD- God the Father? Such an unqualified declaration might also have led the Jewish people to conclude falsely that Jesus was claiming to be God the Father. Jesus avoided this type of confusion by revealing His identity in a very precise, concise, and careful manner.

DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD- Actions to Back Up the Words It has often been said that actions speak much louder than words. And in the following three Perspectives, we’re going to see just how Jesus Christ of Nazareth attested to His own deity. Let us, however, remember Christ’s own words when He said, “I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it” (John 8:28).

DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD- Conclusion This is Hank Hanegraaff inviting you to stay tuned for Part 3 of the CRI Perspective series on the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

To ps sacramento

im new to this forum i didn't know that i have an inbox..and the first time to a forum and is quite interesting...here is the link for all the articles i will be posting

http://www.equip.org/categories/jesus-christ

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

To snowbird

That's the main reason that I don't believe the Trinity doctrine.

Many people killed, emperors called upon to settle the dispute, some, depending on their adherence to this doctrine, being crowned or deposed, bodies dug up and the remains scattered - all in the name of Christ!

What foolishness!

Sylvia

…your bag of excuses will never fly away and disregard the trinity…if that all you have to deny the trinity I will have said the jw have better excuses (even thou they don’t)….

is it fear for me to believe you are a thief just because one of your family members are?...besides any real Christ believer will never kill for no reason at all and if they do they are fanatics…I can kill in the name of Christ in your name in any name but that doesn’t make me a Christ believer...and you said it very well they kill in the name of Christ but it wasn’t for Christ…two different issues here…read what its been post so far or do some personal research. then come to your own conclusion about the trinity then share it with us…thanks

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

javig

To aguest:

That I have not been able to address your previous questions, yet (peace to you!). Unfortunately, life... and another thread called. I had intended to get to it tonight... but I am now exhausted: I have been communing with the Spirit ALL day, today... and it can sometimes take a physical toll…..yes, been there…So, I will have to get to it tomorrow, but I appreciate your patience…I understand, I will wait its been great debating, studying and sharing. If I don’t get to you quick as sposible I ask you the same thing be patient. I do too im exhausted of studying this issue and for my certification as a mechanic for my company…

As to your last post, I have to say:

1. I do not intend to read it, as….fine its your choice

2. It is the opinings of a "scholar"…some articles are from a scholars on others are not…a good scholar or student always analysis both side of the coin…it is not an excuse

3. It is VERY long…take your time..that is not an excuse

4. The type is just too small in parts for my "old" eyes, and……copy and paste to word doc and change the font size…still not an excuse

5. I always choose the Holy Spirit's voice over earthling man's opinions anyway…a good bible student test everything with scriptures since they are too the words of the HS…and still is not an excuse

To psacramento:

What do you mean I have a pm? Not familiar with that term…sorry ….. J