what exaclty does the jw mean by force regarding the hs?.
how that force came to exist in the first place?.
if jah used that force to create the universe...would that force ever vanish?
what exaclty does the JW mean by force regarding the HS?
how that force came to exist in the first place?
if JAH used that force to create the universe...would that force ever vanish?
would JAH need that force right now to exist?..............anyone!!!!!!
hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?
another god?
is him jesus?...
to; aguest
in my previous post I said to you “i would answers your questions dont know when but i will” after meditating in the fact that you don’t take the scriptures as the Inspire word of GOD is useless, why? Because all my answers were biblical and it doesn’t make sense for me to give you a biblical answer when you don’t even think is inspired from GOD…so I wont answer your questions since all of them deals with the bible…
I would like to answer or comment on this question “I totally agree; however, the translation (which may or may not be accurate) would lend a LOT toward the context being accurate… or not. Wouldn’t you agree?” I agree at the same time you have to consider this fact. Someone that is alert to the context (local) where that translation is found and compared to the total (general) context of the bible would notice a bad translation. That happened to me couple of times. That’s why I learned to read a text within its local context and how that local context is view thru the general context of the bible. That principle applies to any written document. You should know better since you studied law…and I know i wont go far in a court room in front of a judge if I take a law out of context (whatever that context would be)… I tried that too it didn’t work and it was funny but that was long time ago before I came a new creature in Christ….
Regarding your post of 11-16-09 …Its your choice if you want to answer my questions...i would like you to answer them but i cant force you...
you said ....BUT... are YOU sure YOU will be able to put FAITH in what I share with you? i don’t have a blind faith my faith is based in evidence. Believing in evolution is a blind faith, no evidence there except micro-evolution but not macro-evolution. Believing that Jesus is the God Man is faith in evidence, what evidence? Himself...how He showed to me?...Thru His inspire written word and his actions which are recorded in the Bible not because i am parroting someone else...
I don't think you can... but, again, you are not my sheep and I am not your judge. So, now, YOU need to let ME know if you have moved PAST needing to "see" it in the Bible and are now able to exercise FAITH... so that I don't waste any more of your time... or mine. Because. I believe that, like so many others, YOU will only come back with "where is that IN THE BIBLE"?....as i said earlier don’t point me at the bible to teach me a revelation from God and trust me i wont ask you for bible proof no more, is useless to ask someone for bible proof when they (you) don’t think is inspire from GOD...also i want to thank you for those time for pointing me at the bible for proof but i noticed each instance you took a verse out of context to parrot your lord revelation. i though you misunderstood the context and may need a little help but as i see now you willingly refuting the written word of GOD…i assume you came to this conclusion long time ago and it probably will take you a long time(if there is hope left) to accept the bible as the inspire and infallible word of GOD…but this is another issue that I am willing to share with you with three conditions 1) if you are willing to have an open mind 2) put faith in everything that I said and what to do 3) you can tell me your answer after we finished discussing your preexistence…
Regarding 2 cor 3:17….I know you asked me that couple of days ago…I was going to answer you but when I noticed that you think that Jesus and the HS are the same person I decide not to answer you. That in itself is another issue totally different than my question, is jesus a god?...but since you asked again here is my answer…as I remember you asked me how many person there is in 2 cor 3:17 or something similar?…my answer is…ONE…if you want to talk about Jesus and HS being the same person we can do that but lets take one subject at a time. Right now I am interested in knowing your preexistence…
Also I want to add more new questions regarding your preexistence
1)…do you see yourself as human being right now? I know you said you will become a god after your death but what about now? You see yourself as a human or god or both?..
2) is there a difference between humans and gods kinds, what is it?
Previous ones……questions
3) where you get this belief and please don’t point me at the bible(you will be contradicting yourself)?....where did you get that info from? where is the evidence (if any)?if not ok
4) do you remember your early state and what you did back then?, if you don’t why not?
5) what was or is the purpose behind this journey, God created you as a god, then he send you to earth into a sinful body to later send jesus, another god to save you (another god)…Tell me whole purpose behind this?
6) I think that makes your God an unjust, unfair and inconsiderable putting you thru all this journey? If not, why not?
Bring your answers…at this point I am willing to listen and please don’t use the bible as proof...
Couples of questions totally different from your preexistence subject
…A) what if, if everything you belief is a lie? How would that affect you? Have you thought about that?....
.B) will you put Faith and believe in what the LORD is telling me to tell you that you are wrong in everything you have said about Himself? If not why not?
C) What book, other than the bible, you know that inform us about GOD and it is in print?
later....
hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?
another god?
is him jesus?...
to; aguest
Hola...
Ok..i just read your post..but again i cant fully respond to it and again i am asking you to be patient...not because i am receiving help from somebody or becuase im responding your question with somebody...no...is becuase i have a busy schedule...like now...pretty soon i have to go to work...i worked at nites not days. i get home a midnite and somedays even later. i am a mechanic and i just cant leave a job halfway done becuase my compnay needs those vehicles for the morning...i am grateful that you have waited but if you decide not to wait anymore..it wont bother me...
regarding my writing skills...if you expected an eloquent answer or writings from me i am sorry to disapointed you. english is my sencond language and still learning to write it...so if you want bare with me or not...its your choice...
i would answers your questions dont know when but i will...i understand that you have an issue about bible translation or version and what books should be in the bible and who gave the authority to come up with 66 books and call them the bible....personally i dont have an issue..this is one of the secondary issue that we can argue, share or debate but not hate or divide. but where i will divide but not hate when someone refuse to accet the scriptures as the inspired word of GOD...if you dont accept that then you have to give a reason to GOD why you deny his written word as inspired or infallible...and if you really believe in your heart and mind that you dont need the written word of GOD then dont point me at it...and to think that you dont need the written word of GOD because you listen to Christ is a contradiction and dumb...and if you really think that the written word of GOD is not helpful for you anymore then throw away all the bibles you own, of course if you have any...i would like to see that...
as to my sarcastic attitude .i confess i get sarcastic sometimes may be the wrong way...and i know there is a rigth way and still learning thanks for remind me...
i know i brought up the isse about the infallible word of GOD but since you think that is not the case..do my a favor dont point me at it...unless you really believe is the Inspired word of GOD...now tell me what books, other than the bible, tell us about GOD?...if you know any PLEASE point me at them...while you do that i would like to get to my real question, is jesus a god?...so far you said yes and gave me your reasons...and add even more by saying your preexisted in the spiirit realm...and you pointed me at the bible, something that you dont think is inspired by GOD...so im asking you
where you get this belief and please dont point me at the bible(you will be contradicting yourself)?.
where did you get that info from? where is the evidence? ...
if you really preexisted, do yo remebmber your early state and what you did back then?, if you dont why not?
if you really really preexisted what was the purpose behind this journey, God created you as a god, then he send you to earht into a sinful body to later send jesus, another god to save you..tell me whole purpose behind this? ..personally i think it portrait an unfair God..but i mite be wrong so please correct me....
regarding the word "fear"...that was my typo..i meant fair not fear...sorry
....i have to go to work....later...
hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?
another god?
is him jesus?...
To aguest:
This post addresses yours of 11-10-09. my words are in black, my previous comments are in blue and your words in red. Too many colors in here
I can't demand that from my LORD because I know he is not a god neither he creates or produce gods.Assuming you got that belief from reading the Bible,… yeap… I would have to say that the Bible also states differently…nope,you want to add your own interpretation and meanings of some verses and some words so they can fit your “little gods” theology….Let me ask you, dear Javig, and you tell me please: what Greek word is used for "God" in the Bible? Say, at John 1:1? 2 Corinthians 4:4, John 20:28, John 10:34-36 …it is the greek word which you already know “ G2316: θεο´ς, theos”…. how did the Bible translators... the "scribes"... know which "theos" is capitalized... and which is not?.. .i don’t know, do you? I cant answer for them. The only answer I could give is , If I was a scribe back then I would look at the context for help and pray to GOD. Also there is a difference between the GOD of the universe and the god of this world. Satan is an angel by nature but never a god. Like I told you before Paul use the word ‘theo” towards satan in a figurative sense, something you don’t seem to understand yet. I guess the scribes understood between a literal and figurative rendering of the word “theos”, just like Paul did.
What I want know is the view of people in how they see jesus as a god instead of the GOD-MAN and how everything else fits in the equation. So far what I have though is being confirmed by you and others thoughts are totally new. I am sorry that my response... and the responses my Lord gave me which I shared with you... are not what you were expecting or used to hearing, dear Javig…I guess your lord is not that all knowing(omniscient) at all, because if he really knows my thoughts regarding jesus as a god, he should have known what i already know…But it is the truth…your truth not my LORD truth…. You asked if my Lord is a "god"... and I answered you truthfully: a "god"... is an immortal, whether such immortal be real... or imagined. Whether he/she/it be true... or false. I shared the view that I received from my Lord that he is immortal...my LORD is immortal but never a god but the GOD… that immortals are gods.. and thus he is a god….nope, angels and humans are inmmortals but not a god, immortality was granted to angel and human when they were created as a gift….. Is he an imagined god? No… Is he a FALSE god? Absolutely not. Neither could EVER be the case…you got this one right… But he is not the MOST High God... JAH of Armies…this is one of the most common refusals statements of the Trinity. But an in depth study of the OT and NT reveals one GOD and Jesus claim to have co-equality with the Father and claimed to be GOD in flesh and demanded or commanded to receive the same equal honor that was only due to the Father. That’s a bold statement for a god to say, don’t you think? and it is heresy and blasphemy if someone claim to have equality with the Father and it is a heresy for a jew to claim to be a god. Want proof? read the Gospel of John. There you will find all the proof you need. I am not gonna tell you to ask your lord cause he might forget his own written word but instead asking him, how come he is telling you verbally he is a god when his disciple recorded something totally different?
I do read the word of GOD and speak to Him and I know if what he verbally tells me doesn't fit HIS written word something is wrong...where the Bible says that IT... is the Word of God. ANYWHERE. Please…first all the writer of the NT believe that the OT was the inspired word of GOD, even Jesus. Here is the answer “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 2 tim 3:16” But, okay. So, you read... and then speak to our Lord... and then he speaks to you... and you know if what he tells you doesn't fit with [His] written word... "something is wrong." Yes? Okay. May I ask you:At Matthew 7:1, Christ is recorded to have said: "Do not judge so that you will not be judged." However, at 1 Corinthians 5:9, 10... Paul states: "Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?" At another place Christ is recorded to have said: "But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren." However, at 1 Timothy 2:7 and 2 Timothy 1:11, Paul states that he... was APPOINTED as teacher:"For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth." "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher..."Given what you've stated above, then, you have vehemently rejected Paul's "appointment," yes?...nope that’s a false conclusion. I don’t have any reason to deny Paul’s appointment. Otherwise I will go against my LORD.
His not speaking to me is somebody else
MayI ask you, dear Javig... WHO is it that you are speaking to? I don’t engage in conversation with that “somebody else” What is his/its NAME?...if the LORD is not speaking to me obviously is a unclean spirit and I don’t know he’s name and don’t care about his name. not interested in knowing unclean spirits names only the ones the bible speaks about.
My LORD can't contradict Himself with is verbal and written words otherwise He will be a divine liar. As you see I do believe in the Infallible word of God, the Bible.
I absolutely agree with regard to the first part of your statement… youagree but how you know if the lord is telling you the truth if you don’t have a written evidence? Last time I checked we humans tends to foget things and words. If you only based your faith in a verbal word of the lord how you know he is fooling you? Instead I based my faith in two thing. First in my LORD’ verbal word. Second in my LORD written inspired WORD(bible, OT, NT, scriptures) Where you and I differ, however, is as to whether the Bible... is infallible OR God's written word…it is GOD’ written word and there is more than enough proof in scriptures. Do a research then share with me…
1. Where is the Book of Jashar? Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18…good question, don’t know the answer. Does it matter to you that much? Personally I don’t care about that book. If one day I decide to look for it it will be for historic research not for spiritual truths concerning GOD.
2. Where is the written prophesy of Enoch (which must have been written, in order for Jude to be able to refer to it)? Jude 14..again don’t know…may be in Jerusalem somewhere in a museum or a synagogue…I have a copy of the book that I found online and is pretty long but not sure if is the book of Enoch…I can send it to you if you want…..
3. Where is Paul's FIRST letter to the Corinthians? 1 Corinthians 5:9; 2 Corinthians 13:3…I asked the same question when I was studying 1 corinthians. And all the answer that I found didn’t caught my attention. May be it got lost or was not inspired as the other letters. Who knows? If you know send it.
4. What is meant at Jeremiah 8:8, which states: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie."… it meant what clearly says. I think is a self explanatory verse.
5. What is meant at John 5:39, 40, which states:"You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." … again the text is self explanatory even the context teach us the real meaning of jesus warning to the Pharisees or jews
6. If the Bible is the infallible word of God, meaning everything in it is TRUTH... which means nothing could have been changed:…you have to recognized there Is a difference between something that is truth, like the WORD OF GOD, and something that is changed from the truth.
a. How do you explain all of the different versions, particularly where THEY disagree ? Are we talking about the infallible word of GOD or bible translation?…two issues here and they are not the same…I have two answers to your question. 1) I don’t know where they all disagree. I have only read the JW version which denies the Divinity of Jesus. But they haven’t deny the personhood of the Holy Spirit yet but teach he is an impersonal active force. The few version that I have read, like Amplified bible, The message bible, KJV, NKJV, Reina Valera 1960, I found that they disagree in minor issues like words or location of the word in the sentence. If you want a depth analysis of this issue I don’t have one yet. Not interested in doing one soon. But I know teachers that have research this issues. But I can’t offered to you because you don’t accept and want to listen others peoples teachings, acting like is a sin to read, or listen others people teaching. 2) let me answer your question with another question, you don’t believe the word of God as infallible because of so many translation or versions? If you do, that’s stupid, the value of something is not based on the translation or version is based on the originator. In this case the Bible, scripture, the word of God was originated by GOD himself.
b. What was the point in including the following words at the end of the Revelation, IF the words could NOT be changed:
"... every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."… someone in church asked me the same question. Again the verse is self explanatory, however people have misapplied. Because of that I have to explain this verse to you…first, john is not talking about bible translations or versions. He is talking about someone adding or taking away the words of the prophecy, if someone adds or takes away a word, the whole prophecy will be wrong, giving you the wrong message and view of GOD. Since I do believe in this verse as a warning for myself I learned to applied to all scriptures in the bible. An example of this adding or taking away will be like JW WT and you in prophesying that Jesus is a god.
Of course there is secondary issues that we can disagree and debate with out hatred but share. But the main and plain things is perfectly written for us...example...GOD s nature...This, again, is another area where you and I disagree. You look to a book, the Bible, to "see" God's nature. I look to Christ. Since the Bible tells us about HIM...and since HE is the image of God... and since HE is recorded to have said, "If you see ME, you see GOD"... I have learned to skip a step. Meaning, I can read a book that tells me about One I should look to/at... OR... I can just look to/at the One it [the Bible] tells me to. Since life is short and I don't have a lot of time anyway... I think the latter is, well, wiser… too bad if you learned to skip a step. The bible never tells us to skip a step. The bible point to Jesus but Jesus couldn’t show us everything about GOD nature during his life. From Genesis to Revelation we have a fear revelation about God nature. I said fear because that’s all that God revealed to us if He want to reveal more it doesn’t bother me. However he can’t reveal something to you totally different than what is written for us by HIM. Like you had been saying “jesus is a god”. Also by having a personal relationship with Jesus all what the bible says about him comes more real to us.
Haven't said this. I have been reading discreetly and discerning every word you posted in here since 10-26-09 and on. Pretty soon I will come up with a conclusion and your will be the only one to correct me of my conclusion because is based in everything you have said. Since you proclaim most of your words comes from the LORD himself we will see who is lying...you or your LORD or both...May I ask you to do one more thing, please? Go to God, the MOST Holy One of Israel... through Christ. Ask Him to send you His Truth. Tell Him that you want to KNOW Him... and His Truth. Then... if you can... put faith in what you hear... and see... as a result. I am not asking you to do anything difficult. Indeed, it is what you SHOULD do... even if I hadn't asked… well I already did, He told me to read his written word and I did. Also I asked Him to illuminate me and He did, I asked Him to guide me and He did. i asked Him to show me and He did. Now im telling you what he told me..is your decision to put faith in what he told me to tell you…now I am asking you… to ask him… to show you where in his written word Jesus is portrait as a god by his prophets and apostles?
also I am using the bible as my proof guide to make my conclusion since is the only proof that I have from the LORD himself concerning Himself...I used to think it was the only proof, too… too bad if came to your conclusion read psalms 119 and get back to basics…. Until my Lord asked me, and now I ask you: what proof did the disciples have that the One who came to them and said, "Follow me," is the same one that the Bible prophesied about?..tell your lord not to confused you and recommend him to take some ginkoba pills for his memory… here is the answer coming from himself…Luke 24:13-27. What had he done/said to lead them to that conclusion?...John the baptism gave testimony about Jesus and everybody in town was familiar with his sayings and with the OT. Read Luke 7:18-27, John 1, How about the Samaritan woman at the well? Did these go, check their Bibles, then come back and say, "Yep, it's you, alright?" OR... did they simply put faith in what he TOLD them?....again people were familiar with the OT and the prophecies concerning Jesus. John 4:26 clearly shows that the Samaritan woman knew the prophecies about Jesus and he confirmed in verse 27. need more proof?
i am doing all this to find the answer to my question...is jesus a god? So far you have said yes and gave your explanation and reasons...I am also trying to answer the question but my brain could go so far as well as the written word...in other words I get stuck.You make me smile, a big warm smile, dear Javig! I know EXACTLY what you mean and how you feel! I was like you!! How can you KNOW??? All these Bible versions, and all of these teachings, interpretations, beliefs, doctrines, religions, creeds... WHAT AM I TO BELIEVE??? WHAT IS THE TRUTH??? And so... I went directly to the Source. Cut out ALL of the middlemen. Every last one of them. I asked God to send me HIS truth... and He sent His Son. The rest... is history. I have listened ONLY to him since...i don’t worry about bible version/translation at all, that’s the least of my worries. I know the truth, Jesus. Like I said I am looking for all answers about jesus being a god. I know for a fact that Jesus is not a god but the GOD-MAN.
Col 1:9-10 "For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10 that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God"Unfortunately, I am not satisfied with that. For ME, I needed to go BEYOND increasing in the "knowledge of God." I need to increase in KNOWING God... and I can ONLY do that through KNOWING Christ. The Bible can tell me about him... but only to a degree. He can tell about himself to the fullest extent. I choose the latter….the text doesn’t said to go “beyond increasing” in the knowledge of God. It says that you might me fill not overfill. And yes you can only do that by Christ
exactly Jesus is the WORD of GOD in flesh that's why HIS written word can't contradict Himself and that's why I go in prayer to him as well his written word. Okay, dear Javig. But please note that the Bible says, "And the Word became flesh." It does NOT say, "And the Word became flesh... and was written."…yeah your point is? Also, may I ask: If you go to him... why do you need to ALSO go to anything/one else? Does he himself not answer you? If not, why not? If so, can you not put faith in his answers? If not, why not? And if it is indeed him speaking, why do you need a "second" witness?... let me ask you…by me using the bible is that a second witness? It mite seems but really HIS written words are the same as His verbal words. The bible portrait a loving Jesus and when he consoles me that proof he is love and have love towards me. GOD and his written word speak the same message. And what is wrong to go back or reference or believe in the bible?
Proverbs 8:4-9...I love that verse but I don't think in any sense its talking about Jesus is talking about wisdom...And who is Wisdom? I will tell you: it is Christ. He is the Way, the Truth, the Life, the Tree of Life, the True Vine, the Root of Jesse, Wisdom, the Word, the Son, the Holy Spirit. It is, isn't it, HIM... that the scripture "bear witness" to, yes? John 5:40… nope Christ is not Wisdom, Christ has all the wisdom there is. I have a car(acura) does that make me an acura? No. you want to believe that Jesus is Wisdom in Prov 8 then two question for you, 1) you used to be a Jw? Because they too think jesus is wisdom in prov 8… 2) if jesus is wisdom is prov 8 then we must call jesus our sister according to prov 7:42 right?...have you read proverbs at all? The whole book talks about wisdom, not jesus. And the first ten chapters are like a strong doss of wisdom and God portraits wisdom to us a woman. Proverbs 30:4 give us a reference about Jesus
Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name, and what is His Son’s name,
If you know?
I wanted to ask you since you mentioned that verse...you said Jesus was produced according to Prov 8...tell me how you came to that conclusion?Well, primarily, because he told me this truth Unlike the angels and physical realm, my Lord was not created. To be created, something comes from nothing. He, however, was born. He is the Son of God's love. Thus, he came... from SOMETHING. He "came forth"... from the Father. The words "came forth" mean the same as the word "produced." The vegetation came forth from the land. The land... produced the vegetation… sooo you are saying now that Jesus a god came forth of the GOD? In other words a god came out from the Father? That’s blasphemy dear one. Jesus did not come out or came forth from the Father. He was sent by the Father. Jesus eternally existed just like the Father eternally existed. Neither of them were created or come forth. Your interpretation doesn’t explain how the Father came to be? Since something has to come out of something right?
what is meant by John's words as recorded at 1 John2:26, 27?"I write this to you about those who would deceive you; but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him."… again the verse is self explanatory once we read the context. I think you know the context. But le me said this, John is not talking about bible and version/translations at all May I ask you: why didn't John say, "his anointing and the Bible teaches you about everything"?... . He did not say the “bible” but neither is not saying not to read scriptures. You seem to have a problem believing or reading or relying in the bible? Why? Bad experiences?
you see Jesus is THE LEADER and because HE has establish leaders here in earth for the benefit of the church Please... PLEASE... show me where he did this. Please…here is the answer “
10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; Eph 4:10-13
There WERE those who were assigned to look after God's flock... as to their PHYSICAL BODIES. These were to make sure that everyone ate, that the widows and orphans were looked after, and that when those who had gave, it was distributed properly and equally to those in need. They were called "overseers" (episkopos)... and their task was to oversee... the DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD, CLOTHING, MONEY, and other 'world' goods that was to be given to the poor among them. Acts 4:32-35; 6:1-6; Genesis 41:34; Acts 20:28; 1 Timothy 3:1, 2; 1 Peter 2:25 These are "hired men" whose job it is to look after the SOULS (meaning the LIVING BODIES)... and NOT the FAITH... of God's sheep. 1 Corinthians 1:24 The FAITH of the sheep... is the responsibility of the GOOD Shepherd... of which there is only one. Christ. John 10:11-14…I don’t deny that Jesus is the Shepherd (Psalms 23). I don’t deny that these overseers were given the task to distribute food (Acts 6:1-6). If these overseers were only to distribute food then why Paul commanded a godly character from them? Do you have to be a godly men to distribute food? A delivery person should be enough. Is obvious that these overseers were not only to distribute food but to distribute spiritual food also. As you point in Acts 6:1-6, those overseers were powerful preachers of the gospel, distributing good food to needy souls. Read the whole chapter 6 thru 8. you will see that they were more than merely delivery mens.
my duty is to see those leaders as leaders but never as the leader, that title belong to JESUS...And MY duty is to see those leaders... NOT as leaders... but as men who may be tasked with keeping a watch over my physical life... but NEVER my spirit life….do you think a believer is going to take care of your physical need and ignore your spiritual needs? Will be ungodly for a believer if he only meets your physical needs when you also have spiritual needs. The contrary is truth too. Will be ungodly for a believer if he only meet your spiritual needs but not your physical need. That’s the message James gave in James 2:14-17 and 5:7-20. You also practice Mathew 18:15-17...tell me by you practicing those verses you are not implying that we have to keep an eye or watch or take care one another spiritual, right? I though so…Of course Jesus is the only one that could supply all of our spiritual and physical needs but remember he could do that thru earthly vessels.
if I copy and paste anyones doctrine I will make sure their doctrine goes hand in hand with scripture...But, see, that is a bit of a problem for me, dear Javig. In my view, you are merely parroting what someone else has TOLD you to believe… let me ask you, you know what you know everything about God because he has told you everything about himself? I doubt that because you also read scriptures and adhere to it ad you cant deny that fact, your action speaks louder that your words… Which is the same as the WTBTS. Any JW can do what you are doing: cut and paste information from WT articles. Their Bible version comports with their teachings. As does the KJV for those who use it. And the RSV for those who use it. And the Douay for those who use it. Etc., etc., etc…well I haven’t said which bible version is the best of all, none of them are, that’s why they are call versions or translation. I don’t adhere to any version or translation of the bible only to the context of the whole bible. The context is better than trusting the translation or versions. I would MUCH rather you state what YOU believe... and include the scriptures/verses that you believe support YOUR beliefs. NOT cut and paste someone else's beliefs... even if those comport with the scriptures from the Bible version you choose to use…I myself practice that...like I told you before. I only cut and paste what its biblical not merely personal interpretation. And believe me, I seen personal… out of place interpretation of the bible…like I said I am not talking about translation or version it is you that is talking. And it seem you have an issue about bible versions or translations. Not me dear one…you read whatever bible version fits you best. I will know if you are understanding what you read when you speak….
Hope everything I said answers your questions…thanks for waiting…later
hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?
another god?
is him jesus?...
To aguest
Hola...again thanks for answering...uupps..sorry..thanks to your lord for answering not you...please let him know...i do "get" it im not stupid...i know you are a vessel and i do "get" it...i am too a vessel and like to point this verse regarding my vessel doctrine 2 cor 4:7..but in ordeer to understand the whole thing read chapter 4 and 5...anyway...at least we agree that we both we are vessels...
I will answer your question but not today i dont have tim now...is almost time for me to go to work...in the mean time let me ask you another question before assuming incorrectly...do you congregate with others believers? im not asking which domination you go...i dont care about that... that means nothing to me...im asking if you fellowship with other believers, people, that believe the same thing you do?...the reason i asked becuase you had said
"I do not claim a religion... nor do I belong to some "church." Along with others, I AM the church... a living stone... in the temple of God... which temple is NOT made by man's hands... but is being built by Christ, its cornerstone... and the stone which those you've named reject."
please be patient i will answer your questions...talk to you later
hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?
another god?
is him jesus?...
To Aguest:
Lets go back a couples of days regarding a question that i asked you and please clarify your answer...didn't understanded
i asked you "
If you want to prove that you one day will become a god they why JAH created you as a human being in the first place? He could have created you a god in the beginning of your existence."
you answered
"The word of the Holy Spirit… is that you were attempting to be flip… and so do not realize what you have asked, but since you HAVE asked… you must now consider whether you really want to know… or not. Thus, he has directed that I can answer this question; however, I can ONLY answer if (1) you are absolutely serious and truly WISHING to know… and (2) the answer can be set off in a response by itself (it can be in this thread, but not this particular response post). I cannot combine it here, because it is (1) too important, and (2) very wondrous. So… you need to let the MOST Holy One of Israel (aka “God”) know… through Christ… what it is you are “wishing” with regard to this particular matter. If you are sincere, I will be directed to respond. Indeed, I will HAVE to. IF, however, you are NOT sincere… but only wish to engage in “empty” debate and so are unable to put faith in what I am able to share with you as to this matter… you will receive nothing. James 1:5-8 However, to help you so that you might know how to approach (besides going through Christ)… i.e., WHAT to ask for… I am to direct you to Luke 11:13. The word of the Holy Spirit is… the choice in this matter is totally yours."....
i really want to know the asnwer to my question and i am not trying to be flip, if it looks flip is not my intention.....is it too important for me to ask you? or you dont want to anwer?....you see, if you believe that one day you will be a god then the most commom question that i have for you is......Is GOD knew that you one day you will be a god, then why he created you as a human being?...i can't answer my own question becuase i dont believe in that, but since you do, you are the only one in here that can help me...MY LORD can't answer my question becuase according to his written word in genesis 1:26-27 " 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all [b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them....he creates mankind to his image , male and female, not gods to his own image...
you said is very wondrous but if it is why you dont want to share?....waiting for your answer...
hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?
another god?
is him jesus?...
The Jehovah's Witnesses' Jesus- Introduction
Jehovah’s Witnesses freely profess to believe in Jesus Christ. But what exactly is their view of Jesus?
The Jehovah's Witnesses' Jesus- Very Different from the Scriptures
Upon close examination, we find that Jehovah’s Witnesses preach a Jesus who’s vastly different from the Jesus of the Bible. Jehovah’s Witnesses regard Jesus as the first and only being directly created by Jehovah God (cf. John 1:1-3 ). They believe that Jehovah God has never had any personal contact with creation, but was indirectly responsible for the creation of all beings by empowering Jesus to bring the physical universe into existence. It’s interesting to note that the Gnostics — who were denounced by the early church — held strikingly similar views.
The Jehovah's Witnesses' Jesus- Denial of Deity
Jehovah’s Witnesses also deny that Jesus is God Almighty (cf. Phil. 2:6-7 ). They claim that Jesus is not all-powerful, that He is not all-knowing, and that He is not even all-present. Curiously enough, however, they deny these same attributes about their own Jehovah God!
The Jehovah's Witnesses' Jesus- Jesus is not to be worshipped?
In addition to all of this, Jehovah’s Witnesses insist that Jesus should not be worshipped (cf. Matt. 2:11 ; 28:9 ; Heb. 1:6 ), and that prayers should not be addressed to Him (cf. Acts 7:59-60 ; 9:13-14 ). And while they concede that Jesus should be honored, they refuse to honor Him to the same degree God the Father is honored. This, of course, flies directly in the face of what Jesus proclaimed in John 5:23 , when He said that it is God’s will for “all to honor the Son just as they honor the Father.” On top of this, Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that when Jesus Christ was made flesh He became only a mere man who might have sinned but, fortunately for us, didn’t (cf. John 5:19 ; 7:18 ; 8:55 ).
The Jehovah's Witnesses' Jesus- Denial of Physical Resurrection
Finally, Jehovah’s Witnesses deny that Jesus rose bodily from the grave (cf. John 2:19-22 ; Luke 24:39 ), teaching instead that He rose in a “spirit body” (whatever that may be). Thus, Jesus’ resurrection can’t be seen as a triumph over physical death when, in fact, this is the very opposite of what Scripture reveals ( 1 Cor. 15:54-55 ). Because of these and other reasons, Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot be regarded as true Christians. Rather, they are what is classically referred to as a cult. They claim to be Christian yet deny essential Christian doctrine. Now, we cannot compromise when it comes to the nature of God, and certainly not when it comes to the Lord Jesus Christ.
hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?
another god?
is him jesus?...
Thanks Aguest for answering.
I gave up hope. This is the only medium (internet) that I have to understand why people think as Jesus as a god…I can’t demand that from my LORD because I know he is not a god neither he creates or produce gods. What I want know is the view of people in how they see jesus as a god instead of the GOD-MAN and how everything else fits in the equation. So far what I have though is being confirmed by you and others thoughts are totally new. I do read the word of GOD and speak to Him and I know if what he verbally tells me doesn’t fit HIS written word something is wrong…His not speaking to me is somebody else. My LORD can’t contradict Himself with is verbal and written words otherwise He will be a divine liar. As you see I do believe in the Infallible word of God, the Bible. Of course there is secondary issues that we can disagree and debate with out hatred but share. But the main and plain things is perfectly written for us…example…GOD s nature…Haven’t said this. I have been reading discreetly and discerning every word you posted in here since 10-26-09 and on. Pretty soon I will come up with a conclusion and your will be the only one to correct me of my conclusion because is based in everything you have said. Since you proclaim most of your words comes from the LORD himself we will see who is lying..you or your LORD or both…also I am using the bible as my proof guide to make my conclusion since is the only proof that I have from the LORD himself concerning Himself….i am doing all this to find the answer to my question..is jesus a god? So far you have said yes and gave your explanation and reasons…I am also trying to answer the question but my brain could go so far as well as the written word…in other words I get stuck. Soon I will let you know what are those things even thou you have answered some…in the mean time I am asking you to help me with my conclusion even more…thanks….
You said: First, the word of my Lord to you, dear “Javig,” is that he does not “deal” in “theological” explanations, but in the truth. And only the truth…I do agree GOD is a GOD of thruh. Theological explanations is something that we dedcuct from his truth and is not wrong been theological… “Theological” has to do with gods….. I agree and disagree read here http://www.answers.com/topic/theology
and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology
and here http://www.google.com/searchhl=en&defl=en&q=define:theology&ei=Ag_5Sr3_FdDanAfDpZ2DDQ&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAcQkAE …sometimes this “theological” word can be apply to gods (that is if you think they exist which you do and said jesus is a god)…but also can be apply to GOD in the sense of studying or understanding GOD or as the bible defines best…Col 1:9-10 “For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10 that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God”
NOT the Most Holy One of Israel. If you want an explanation from HIM… you MUST go through His Son and Christ, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. There is NO other way, truly. That One will ALWAYS give you a “fair” explanation, because he will ALWAYS give you the TRUTH…exactly Jesus is the WORD of GOD in flesh that’s why HIS written word can’t contradict Himself and that’s why I go in prayer to him as well his written word.
Proverbs 8:4-9…I love that verse but I don’t think in any sense its talking about Jesus is talking about wisdom…I wanted to ask you since you mentioned that verse…you said Jesus was produced according to Prov 8…tell me how you came to that conclusion?..
You said: If you believe someone else as your “leader,” then I say to you, “go in peace.” …I don’t believe no one Is MY leader, JESUS is the ONLY ONE…but I do think that there are leaders that Jesus established them for the edification of HIS BODY…like apostles..prohets…Ephe 4:7-16 and 1 Cor 12…you see Jesus is THE LEADER and because HE has establish leaders here in earth for the benefit of the church my duty is to see those leaders as leaders but never as the leader, that title belong to JESUS…if I copy and paste anyones doctrine I will make sure their doctrine goes hand in hand with scripture....talk to you later
hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?
another god?
is him jesus?...
to: JW or anyone who denies the trinity...
i was pondering in jw cristology...a question came up to mind trying to understand their jesus and sin...i dont know any jw around my town to personally ask the question thats why i ask in here......here it is...
if jesus is not the GOD-MAN...GOD in flesh...then whatever he is... how he could be the saviour and be able to forgive sins with his death and satisfy JAH perfect laws unless he is GOD himself?...I thought that the Old Testament teaches that GOD(JAH) he is the only one able to forgive sins and saviour... then we see in the NT another person who is able to forgive sin and savoiur just like JAH in the OT..could it be GOD? or could be two person having the same atributtes? could be two persons doing the same thing while one is JAH but the other is not? or something else?....what will be a fear and comprehensive theologica explanation..if there is any?..thanks
designs gave us a prety powerful isightful truth...This is entertaining, kind of like watching a dog chase its own tail...i wonder which one is more stupid, the dog chasing its tail or the man wacthing the dog chasing its tail? ....
to aguest:
i haven't forgot about you...but your comment...At this point, I will have to leave you all to whatever it is you believe on this matter...does that mean no more talking between us? you were the only one trying to answer my quesion..is jesus a god?...even thou i dont agree with your answers nevertheless want to know your answers...let me know if you still interested or not..thanks...
i understand that jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus is not god, but the author of revelation seems to teach otherwise:.
yahweh speaking: "i am the alpha and the omega," says the lord god" (revelation 1:8).
more yahweh: "i am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Hi...
if jesus is not the GOD-MAN...GOD in flesh...then whatever he is... how he could be the saviour and be able to forgive sins with his death and satisfy JAH perfect laws unless he is GOD himself?...I thought that the Old Testament teach that GOD(JAH) he is the only one able to forgive sins and saviour then we see in the NT another person who is able to forgive sin and savoiur..could be GOD or could be two person having the same atributtes something else? ....what will be the theological explanation here..if there is any?..thanks....
