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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

lampstand

There are always two sides to the "controversy" in the Bible...

-There is the side that try's to tell you something different than what is written in the scriptures...(AGuest)

-And there is the side that will tell you what is written, is what it is and nothing more or less.

I'm on the side of the latter, while others here are on the side of the former.

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

[Unfortunately, your particular Bible version(s) have resituated the word “our” (denoted by the Greek word “hemon”) which originally appeared (in the Greek, at least, because Peter’s letter was written in Aramaic) before the word “Savior.” The GREEK… from which your translation is taken, states:

“Prosdechomai makarios elpis kai doxa epiphaneia megas theos… kai… hemon soter… Iesous Christos… "

which translates as:

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God… and… our Saviour… Jesus Christ...”

and NOT “our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”… for Titus 2:23. The same thing occurs for 2 Peter 1:1. There, the GREEK states:

"Symeon Petros doulos kai apostolos Iesous Christos lagchano isotimos pistis hemin en dikaiosyne theos… kai… hemon soter… Iesous Christos…”

which translates as:

“Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God … and… our Saviour… Jesus Christ:”]

Totally incorrect again...you seem to be lost...your referencing to the actual Greek text is false, the Greek scripture reads different from your teachings, every place in actual scripture you quote you flipped the words over as if you are some scolar of translating ancient Greek. It reads...

2 Peter 1:1

simon petros doulos kai apostolos iesou christou tois isotimon hemin lachousin pistin en dikaiosune tou theou hemon kai soteros hemon iesou christou

Your reference to Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1...incorrect, period!

Your reference to Psalm 68:4

again and again, your reference to actual scripture is false, that word is not there, no letters also, you are inserting just as JW's do, and you are teaching from another strange source, and not the Holy Spirit!

Again, for you can read Galatians 1:6-9...and Exodus 20:7

Maybe read Matthew 23:15

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

lampstand

AGuest...

"But it does look like I’ll have to “see” your Genesis 2:4 and Exodus 3:14… and “raise” you an Exodus 6:3, some related “vowel pointings”"

Exodus 6:3 ...again the Tetragrammaton not your blasphemous name of God, and if you could notice the footnote letter "beside" it "d" and read below it says...

"See note at Exodus 3:15"

Exodus 3:15 ...again the Tetragrammaton not your blasphemous name of God, and if you see the footnote letter "beside" it "c" and read below it says...

"The Hebrew for LORD sounds like and may be derived from the Hebrew for I Am in verse 14."

Well, this is very strange isn't it? By the way, I actually typed this myself.

The Tetragrammaton is not a Hebrew word, it is what we call now days an "Acronym"

Sorry I couldn't respond within the seconds after your post, I actually read and research to give the correct answers.

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

lampstand

Sacolton, to my point exaclty! The message is clear yes. But I think thats Acts 7:59 not 7:9, probably a typo.

Here are a few others...

John 2:19

John 10:17

So prove to me AGuest, that God and Jesus are not one. Its not a test for me, its for You vs. the Scripture.

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

lampstand

AGuest,

There are many personal words and speculation in your research. You are playing a dangerous game by proclaiming a name of God, who not even his own son Jesus would speak his "name", but apparently you have this authority.

Every place in the Bible where you point out "JAH" is totally incorrect, every time in scripture it is the Tetragrammaton, again going back to what Hebrew's believe to be a sacred name, and I believe this too, because who are you to know the name of God or even to proclaim it. So your teachings are blasphemous. The Tetragrammaton was made in a way so that it was not written exactly as the name of God would be, again going back to keeping the name sacred by not writting it or pronouncing it. And it was never written in anyones name, such as you think, so as to keep God's name SACRED, understood! Again keeping something SACRED is keeping it secret and in reverence, and not spoken or written, do we need to take out a dictionary for the word SACRED, or shall I ask my 3 year old what that means? The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible is to be used as a "word reference" and nothing more. Not to mention, its based on the King James version, which was written and translated in 1611 17th century English, is that how old your dictionary is now days, I think not. Many words in Hebrew or Greek have more meanings than they do in English, which English is limited with such meanings (especially in 1611!). Your tapping into a world where English didn't exist.

You don't flatter me (or anyone here) with your Strong's word referencing, which most people here probably all have the book, as well as myself. I don't apreciated your condescending way of speaking, such as "dear one".

The first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega...only refers to GOD himself, and no other.

John 10:30 (very clear)

You can put your fancy twist of words in there and speculation all you want...the message is simple

I like to think of an old saying...If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck...its a duck!

Isaiah 44:6-8

Isaiah 48:12-13

Exodus 20:3 (in reference to your speculation of "Besides" or "Beside", which ever you like best) Read...Isaiah 12:1-2 (there is no issue with "beside" or "besides" or "apart")

Exodus 20:7 (I think this message is clear enough, hmm)

Read them, its not hard to hear the message, its very CLEAR

Please, everyone, let the scripture speak for itself, don't through your personal thoughts into it or speculation, let it unfold as it does clearly.

Here is a question for you AGuest...who raised Jesus from death? Was is it God or Jesus himself?

Surely only God could do such a thing...what do you think?

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

lampstand

Revelation 1:8

Tell me who is speaking? Is it God or Jesus?

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

lampstand

Learn something before quickly responding...

"I Am"

Exodus 3:14

Hebrew word: Hebrew text

Pronounced: aeie (first 4 letters only, the whole thing says "I am who I am")

Means: I-shall-become (Mondern English its "I Am")

dear one...

Genesis 2:4

Tetragrammaton first appears in scripture: Hebrew text

Pronounced: Adonai (Adon is singular form for Lord)

Means: Lord, lord, lord

The reason why Hebrews pronounce the Tetragrammaton as "Adonai" is because the name of God is to be kept sacred, not even Jesus spoke the name, so it was safe and understood by them to say "Lords", and you can not pronounce YHVH (letter for letter) nor can you fill in the gaps with Latin vowels. By the way, the "Y" in YHVH is for the Hebrew letter Yod, not with a J such as you think.

Your answer to the German monk some 600 years ago who falsely translated and inserted Latin vowel letters in the Tetragrammaton, is "Not quite dear one"? Please, do a little research and learn the truth before speaking from a preverted teaching.

Galatians 1:6-10

dear one...

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

lampstand

AGuest,

I am almost laughing because you are obviously coping and pasting whats being dictate to you. I really don't believe you are actually researching on your own to find truth. You can not find truth from what others are lieing about, you must find the truth and God yourself alone. When we die, there is no book or guidance to help you find the way, we will all be alone.

There can be only one God, no others, not even gods. This is where JW's and XJW's go wrong, unless you know the truth themselves, not told it.

Isaiah 43: 10-12

Which ever Bible you want to use, the message is true.

"Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior."

No other god, before of after, no other savior. Think then...who is Jesus now? Is he not a savior, if he is then he is of God, if not then he's nothing.

Do I need to pull out the Hebrew scripture word for word, to point out the terrible translation (or lie)?

Lets not forget, if you know, that the Tetragrammaton in Hebrew was pronounced "Adonai" in the plural form not singular, which literally means "Lord, lord, lord". The name of God is not what you think it is...who are you to say that is the name, did you ask him yourself and he told you that? Or did some German monk tell you that some 600 years ago, that didn't even know how to speak the ancient language? He wouldn't even tell Moses what his name was, he told him it was "I am". And Moses was the only one who had seen God.

This is only the truth, from what we can read, and I wish some people in the world didn't pervert the good news to satisfy their own greed of power and money.

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

lampstand

The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are one in name (Matt 28:18-20), pay attention that it says "in the name" singular form not plural.

Also notice that Jesus never refers to The Father or God, with any other name. Especially the one name the WT has taught you, which was a mistransaltion from a German monk some 600 years ago. There is a good reason why nobody in the Bible spoke a "name" of God, you have to learn a few things about Hebrew law, and to proclaim "to be God" or a "the name" of God, right or wrong was blasphemy and punishable by death...

Last thing, read John 10:25-33, and pay attention to verse 30 and 33.

Peace be with you, my peace I give to you.