Posts by Caminante

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Yesterday's WT Study par 17

by leaving_quietly in

i marked down "research" next to this paragraph w13 1/15 p.11 par.

17), and have yet to do so fully.. "modern christians held in nazi concentration camps with possible death facing them were given repeated opportunities to gain their freedom by signing a declaration renouncing jehovah.".

was the declaration to renounce jehovah?

Caminante

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Nazi_JWrenunciationdocument.jpg

I, _____ , born on ______ in ______ declare the following:

1. I recognized that the International Bible Students Association spreads out erroneous teachings, and pursues anti-state goals under the cloak of its religious activity

2. For this reason I disassociated myself fully and completely of this organization and I also released myself psychologically off this cult.

3. Thus I guarantee that I will never ever activate for the IBSA. I will denounce any person who approaches me with the heresies of the Bibelforscher or by any means let me know they are Bibelforscher. I will submit to the nearest police station any piece of Bibelforscher literature sent to me.

4. I will henceforth obey the laws of the state, especially in case of wars I will defend my motherland with the weapon in hand and I will submit myself in the ranks of the people's association.

5. I have been informed that I will face arrest again if I revoke today's declaration.

Place, date, signature

So there was literally nothing about Jehovah involved there. It involved resignation from being committed to the teachings of the Watch Tower Society.

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April KM Question Box: Cellphones

by pixel in

check out this arriving in april:.

what bible principles apply to the useof cell phones while attending christian meetings and sharing in the ministry?.

for everything there is an appointed time.

Caminante

@88JM: Atlantis has been having computer problems recently, that's the reason we haven't seen him online. The April KM should have been out on jw.org for some days, Atlantis posted the March issue on 01/12. Pixel, can you upload the PDF somewhere?

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Publications pdf request

by trackregister99 in

i collecting many pdf of watchtower publications.

and i get some by archive.org, but i found that other missing are in this forum.

but i found that many of senspace links are dead.

Caminante

trackregister99:

Creation (softcover reprint): www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/sce_e.pdf
Revelation Climax (2006): www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/re_e.pdf
New World Translation (2006): download.jw.org/files/media_bible/bi12_E.pdf

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2009 Annual Report needed!

by Atlantis in

hi friends:.

.. barbara needs scans of the 2009 yearbook annual report which would show the numbers for the previous year of 2008. she is interested in finding out how many congregations there were in the united states and canada.

i don't have the 2009 yearbook or i would have already sent her the info.. .. could someone help us out with a couple of scans of that information?

Caminante

Canada:

Population: 33,223,840
Peak Publishers 2008: 112,092
Population/Publishers Rate: 296
Average Publishers: 109,086
Increase Percentage: n/a
Average Publishers 2007: 108,974
Baptized 2008: 2,232
Auxiliary Pioneers: 4,826
Pioneers: 8,791
Congregations: 1,330
Hours: 20,272,620
Bible Studies: 42,107
Memorial Attendance: 184,692

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2009 Annual Report needed!

by Atlantis in

hi friends:.

.. barbara needs scans of the 2009 yearbook annual report which would show the numbers for the previous year of 2008. she is interested in finding out how many congregations there were in the united states and canada.

i don't have the 2009 yearbook or i would have already sent her the info.. .. could someone help us out with a couple of scans of that information?

Caminante

Atlantis, here you go!

USA in the 2008 Service Year report:

Population: 300,337,769
Peak Publishers 2008: 1,105,789
Population/Publishers Rate: 272
Average Publishers: 1,059,253
Increase Percentage: 2
Average Publishers 2007: 1,042,528
Baptized 2008: 35,597
Auxiliary Pioneers: 44,406
Pioneers: 110,163
Congregations: 12,635
Hours: 217,881,267
Bible Studies: 603,313
Memorial Attendance: 2,418,903

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Is the NWT a translation or simply a rewording w/ edits ?

by mP in

did they really start from teh greek, hebrew and aramaic texts and translate or did freddy and the friends simply take other bibles and reword each and every sentence.

naturally during this exercise they would have altered the text to make it comptaible with their eschatology.

i think this best explains what really happen during those sessions as they had no literary skills they honestly couldnt read the originals.. .

Caminante

"Freddy" did have the skills to read ancient Hebrew, and he had studied two or three years of Biblical Greek. Moreover, he had a high ability of easily learning foreign languages, thus he became qualified to coordinate the translation project. They started translation in 1947 and released the complete Bible in 1961.

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Need help in identifying a Bible translation

by Caminante in

i'm working on transcribing the full 3 hour recording of ray franz's visit in romania of over five years ago and i realize he quotes from a pretty unfamiliar bible translation.

well, it's unfamiliar to me--it might not be for you though--and i don't seem to find it anywhere online.

as a clue, i have the verses from 1 peter 4:8-10. they read as follows: "above all, let your love for one another be constant, for love covers a multitude of sins.

Caminante

"The Inclusive Bible" seems to be too new. Ray's conference was on October 13, 2007. His Bible appeared relatively used.

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Need help in identifying a Bible translation

by Caminante in

i'm working on transcribing the full 3 hour recording of ray franz's visit in romania of over five years ago and i realize he quotes from a pretty unfamiliar bible translation.

well, it's unfamiliar to me--it might not be for you though--and i don't seem to find it anywhere online.

as a clue, i have the verses from 1 peter 4:8-10. they read as follows: "above all, let your love for one another be constant, for love covers a multitude of sins.

Caminante

Been there, transhuman68. It's none of those.

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Need help in identifying a Bible translation

by Caminante in

i'm working on transcribing the full 3 hour recording of ray franz's visit in romania of over five years ago and i realize he quotes from a pretty unfamiliar bible translation.

well, it's unfamiliar to me--it might not be for you though--and i don't seem to find it anywhere online.

as a clue, i have the verses from 1 peter 4:8-10. they read as follows: "above all, let your love for one another be constant, for love covers a multitude of sins.

Caminante

I'm working on transcribing the full 3 hour recording of Ray Franz's visit in Romania of over five years ago and I realize he quotes from a pretty unfamiliar Bible translation. Well, it's unfamiliar to me--it might not be for you though--and I don't seem to find it anywhere online. As a clue, I have the verses from 1 Peter 4:8-10. They read as follows: "Above all, let your love for one another be constant, for love covers a multitude of sins. ... As generous stewards of God’s manifold grace, put your gifts at the service of one another, each in the measure he has received." Upon searching in Google for these quotes I come across several Catholic resources, but none of them specifies the Bible translation used. Could you give me a hand here? Thanks a lot!

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Entire WT Library From Beginning

by admirmitch in

i had an idea to which i don't even know if it would be feasible but i'd like to throw it out regardless.

i figured this is the best place to post since this is the forum that gets the most traffic.

however, this question is tech related.

Caminante

Bobcat: Yes, the database in the MEPS Research Explorer does have all the publications the Watch Tower Society had ever published in digital form. It's not that huge. The English version of Watchtower Library 2012 has less than 140 MB of text-only publication data and a 153 MB large index of all the words used in the publications. I suppose that a full database would take up less than 1.5 GB. In contrast, the PDF publications posted on JW.org are much larger, only the Books and Brochures section of PDF files is somewhere around 21.5 GB.