They do not have Bible discussion, just indoctrination. If God gave an individual insight, they should be able to share it. Paul talks about each bringing a song, Scripture, etc., not passively regurgitating Orwellian group think.
godrulz
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Parroting in the meetings
by dgp inin the one meeting i attended, i noticed that some witnesses were creative in the answers they gave to the questions, while others were simply repeating what the magazine said.
i remember that, at the time, i thought the creative ones were also the smart ones, while the others were lazy, and that no doubt the creative ones would rank higher in the watchtower.. well, i think i have changed my mind.
it seems to me that those parroting the questions are, in a way, the smart ones.
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Jehovah's witness meetings are NOT BORING......
by punkofnice in...i was told but they usually were as i look back.. as a lad i'd sit and look to see who the lights would fall on.
i'd get an almond and see how long i could suck it before i chewed at it.
i'd imagine playing rock'n'roll on the congregation's piano.. how did you get through the meetings when you were bored?.
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godrulz
I have heard some of the best Christian speakers in the world and read the greatest Christian writing through the centuries. JW/WT stuff is simplistic and boring in comparison (not to mention amateurish and false). It is a sin to make the Bible and things of God so boring. Don't get me started on the communist-like droning/singing that is not worship in any sense.
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Your best one sentence JW comeback contest
by moshe ini am looking for your best jw comeback- the kind that makes a jw's jaw drop.
ok, even two pithy sentences will do.. here's one i have used before on jws,.
moshe: " do you know what an oxymoron is?
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godrulz
d: your questions are not unique for JWs, but all people of faith. They sound like something a lame atheist would come up with. There are reasonable answers from a theist perspective (I don't know or care what a JW would say since they are cult, not Christian).
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For people who are out but still believe in Jesus Christ...
by roxanesophia insince the bible speaks of being blood guilty if one knowing the truth doesn't tell others, i'm a bit tortured by the fact i've learned the jw doctrine is false and i've found the truth in the bible, but there's no way in hell i can talk to other jw's about it.
i would so love to just plant the seed of doubt, and turn them to the real truth, but i know how futile that can be.
i was never baptized - with good reason.
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roxanne: how has your view of Jesus changed since leaving the WT? Who is Jesus Christ specifically?
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How many gods are there?
by jgnat inchristianity was birthed in a polytheistic world, inheriting from jewish roots the concept of one g-d. now, instead of one god for israel, we are offered one god for the whole world.
caesar (mortal men) was declared a god.
gods had powers beyond ordinary men, could grant requests, and demanded sacrifice and worship.
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godrulz
I guess I have no clue what your personal, pet view of God is then (so I can't communicate intelligently with you).
Finite godism is a false world view. God alone is worthy of worship because He alone is God. Anything else is a false, so-called god, not God by nature (Gal. 4:8). Monotheism is not primitive, but it is true (Christianity vs Islam, Judaism, Unitarianism, JW).
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Can you answer: What is "The Truth™"?
by serenitynow! ini mean can someone, preferably an active jw, explain in 5 sentences or less what that really means?.
i ask because of the long post that "20571..." made on another thread about how "the truth" is better than this, that and the other thing.. what does it really mean?.
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The Bible records the beginning of human history (Gen. 1). Adam was monotheistic, not polytheistic. Polytheism was condemned by the one true God early in history. The Word of God trumps your specious sources that contradict this basic truth. The question is if there is one true God (mono) or many gods (poly). Are you saying polytheism is true and it reverted to the error of monotheism?! Don't trust sources that are not divine (they are false if they contradict God's Word). I mentioned documentary hypothesis theory. This has been refuted, yet still taught by liberal universities. Learn to check out the credibility of your sources (liberal theories sound persuasive, but they are not true).
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How many gods are there?
by jgnat inchristianity was birthed in a polytheistic world, inheriting from jewish roots the concept of one g-d. now, instead of one god for israel, we are offered one god for the whole world.
caesar (mortal men) was declared a god.
gods had powers beyond ordinary men, could grant requests, and demanded sacrifice and worship.
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godrulz
Inspiration, transmission, canonicity, translation, interpretation, etc. are all related issues. The non-extant original autographs are inspired, God-breathed, accurate. The wealth of MSS evidence gives us 99% certainty on the original languages with no doctrine or practice affected by any variant. Every translation has strengths and weaknesses. WT also used ASV, etc. They cannot defend their ideas from Jn. 1:1. Their sectarian NWT radically changes many Deity of Christ verses. Changing Spirit to active force in Gen. 1 is also brazen and indefensible. Translastions can be corrupted, but the art and science of textual criticism allows us to have an informed opinion on any given verse. WT routinely violates hermeneutical principles (art and science of Bible interpretation/application/exegesis). Jesus called the imperfect LXX (Septuagint) the Word of God and the Holy Spirit quoted OT LXX in the NT. There is no down grading of God to not have original autographs.
Interpretation is a bigger problem than translation (if we avoid fringe versions like NWT). Cults disparage the trustworthiness of Scripture and replace it with specious authority like GB, LDS modern prophets, Gabriel/Koran, LDS fake golden plates/moroni/BOM, etc. We have WT, Mary Baker Eddy Science/Health with Key to Scriptures (Christian Science), etc. The Bible, properly translated and interpreted is authoritative. There is a wealth of conservative Christian scholarship/commentary that is solid. We have the Holy Spirit to illuminate the Word. Apart from Scripture, you have no source of truth about God and spiritual matters.
There is good and bad translation. We can take to task many WT interpretations and show from Scripture and logic why they are wrong. Those who blur distinction between truth and error cannot be helped and remain in ignorance. We are not infallible, but we can know basic, essential truth about God/gospel (perspicuity of Scripture= meant to be understood by non-scholars).
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Parroting in the meetings
by dgp inin the one meeting i attended, i noticed that some witnesses were creative in the answers they gave to the questions, while others were simply repeating what the magazine said.
i remember that, at the time, i thought the creative ones were also the smart ones, while the others were lazy, and that no doubt the creative ones would rank higher in the watchtower.. well, i think i have changed my mind.
it seems to me that those parroting the questions are, in a way, the smart ones.
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JWs are a cult, not a Christian denomination. Mormons also like to be perceived as a Christian denomination, but they are not. I think most people would think JWs are an extreme sect/cult, while Mormons have not tried to distance themselves from 'Christendom' as much (they want to be accepted as another version of Christianity, while WT disses all other religions). I have read quotes from the WT that say that if one just reads the Bible, they will revert back to Christendom's views or that one cannot understand the Bible apart from GB (vs illumination of the Holy Spirit)?! This painfully shows that they read the Bible through the eyes of the WT (so pick up their false views and bad research) instead of being a Berean who would read Book of Mormon, WT literature, Koran, etc. through eyes of the Bible (oldest revelation). Scary and sad stuff.
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Parroting in the meetings
by dgp inin the one meeting i attended, i noticed that some witnesses were creative in the answers they gave to the questions, while others were simply repeating what the magazine said.
i remember that, at the time, i thought the creative ones were also the smart ones, while the others were lazy, and that no doubt the creative ones would rank higher in the watchtower.. well, i think i have changed my mind.
it seems to me that those parroting the questions are, in a way, the smart ones.
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I am doing a small group Daniel study. I prepare the material with first hand research. We discuss as a group, agree to disagree at times, etc. By not researching first hand, JWs are only as good as the research they are fed. The WT too often misquotes scholars (...), so if someone went to original sources, they would see that the WT research is shoddy, deceptive, false. Given the WT track record, they lack credibility and have proven to be untrustworthy and inconsistent in the quality of their research. Counter-cult ministries that photocopy original sources and contrast with WT isolated misquotes would do a service to truth, but the average JW is not allowed to expose themselves to a more accurate picture. If this is not mind-control, what is? Again, the individual is without excuse because the info is out there and there is no biblical prohibition to research like a Berean (it also does not help that studying the poor, sectarian NWT is too often not accurate Bible translation, let alone interpretation). The WT urges others to examine their religion objectively and not associate if they teach falsehoods, yet they won't let WT slaves have the same freedom in relation to WT.
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Parroting in the meetings
by dgp inin the one meeting i attended, i noticed that some witnesses were creative in the answers they gave to the questions, while others were simply repeating what the magazine said.
i remember that, at the time, i thought the creative ones were also the smart ones, while the others were lazy, and that no doubt the creative ones would rank higher in the watchtower.. well, i think i have changed my mind.
it seems to me that those parroting the questions are, in a way, the smart ones.
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There is a big difference between indoctrination/mind-control and critical thinking. There will be no excuse for being misled by a false teacher when we are responsible to test things with Scripture in context. In sound theological training, we learn to think and compare/contrast views. In WT indoctrination, one is not allowed to investigate independently, hold differing views, question, etc. The mandate is to accept the party line, right or wrong. It boggles my mind that one could now get DF for things that used to make one in like flint. Truly there is a difference between Christianity and cults. If my church had such a bad track record with flip flops, wrong teaching, etc., I would think twice about remaining with it.
I have found some older JWs at my door seem glazed over, robotic, in a trance parroting the stuff. The younger ones still seem to have a mind.