Perhaps the problem was your understanding. If a placard has the right translation of Jn. 1:1 (vs sectarian NWT error), you may disagree, but it is still truth. A protestor could speak and share truth in writing, but the JW would be conditioned to reject it or misunderstand it. Almost always when the trinity comes up, the arguments are lame like trinity word is not in Scripture (neither is theocracy, governing body, millennium, kingdom hall, shunning, etc.), it is 3 gods (false straw man), who did Jesus pray to or who ran the universe while Jesus was in the grave, etc. This shows that JWs do NOT understand basic Christian doctrine at all and are rejecting a WT straw man version that Christians would also reject. JWs give pat WT answers that they do not even understand half the time. I have found gross biblical, Christian ignorance among elders, etc. They are too busy going door to door with simple books/booklets (vs wrestling with doctrine, exegesis, research; even GB/writing dept. does not do contextual study, just proof texts or shoddy misquoting of authorities; listening to Losch GB talk shows me they do not understand the basics of biblical interpretation/application as shown by constantly changing or flip flopping doctrine like Rom. 13) or attending meetings, etc. Bible study is replaced with book/magazine study indoctrination with leading questions. Without their aids, many JWs cannot answer basic questions on any given verse/proof text (original language ignorance; context ignorance, etc.).
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This convention blows
by Anony Mous inseriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.
i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.
) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..
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Jesus was just a man?
by Joey Jo-Jo inaccording to this video, jesus was just a man, but were can i find these books that speak of this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23vv6moyf0&feature=related.
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Glad: I would question that they are Christians if they deny that the Bible is the Word of God. Nominal, liberal, pseudo-Christians should not be confused with the real thing. Evangelicals have a high view of Scripture. If it is not the Word of God, we have no basis for Christianity. Do these so-called christians also deny the Deity and resurrection of Christ? If so, they are definitely not Christians.
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Jesus was just a man?
by Joey Jo-Jo inaccording to this video, jesus was just a man, but were can i find these books that speak of this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23vv6moyf0&feature=related.
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pist: Paul does quote Jesus. Paul never saw Jesus in person, so learned things from the other apostles in addition to direct revelation and contact with the risen Christ. Pauline theology has a strong Christological foundation. In Cor. 11, he does quote Jesus in relation to Lord's Supper (WT evening meal nonsense). Paul's theology is focused on His greatest miracle, the resurrection! He talked about signs and wonders generically, etc. The Spirit inspired the Gospels and Paul's writings are issue literature about local churches. It is apparent that his theology is in line with Christ and that he does refer to the Lord in many places. What is the point of your pointless question?
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Jesus was just a man?
by Joey Jo-Jo inaccording to this video, jesus was just a man, but were can i find these books that speak of this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23vv6moyf0&feature=related.
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MrDark: thx for the warm welcome. I do not think you are dumb, stupid, immature, uneducated, rationalist, etc. When I say JWs are rationalists, I refer to the philosophy in Russell's day and life that elevates raw reason above biblical revelation. His initial basis for rejecting trinity, 'hellfire', etc. was that it did not seem rational to him (how can one God be 3 gods straw man; and how can a loving God torture people if I would not torture my kids or a dog, etc.). It was the spirit of the age that spawned the main pseudo-Christian cults. I did not mean to imply it was rational, but rationalism. It elevated irrational, flawed human reason above divine revelation that is not always palatable to sinful, fallen man, though still true. Reasoning from the Scripture, taking in knowledge, endless literature studies and meetings, suppression of emotions and critical thinking, etc. are hallmarks of WT. It is no good to reason if one twists God's revelation and reasoning with endless logical fallacies, ignorance of sound scholarship and other views, etc. We apprehend revelation with reason, but defaulting to simplistic answers that sound good to the mind (but it is affected by the noetic effects of sin), but are still not true is problematic. I wonder if your WT apologetics were based on your own thinking, research, clearly understood views, or searching WT literature like Aid or Reasoning book and using their arguments whether you fully understood them or not. If I am going to exegete Scripture, I want to understand the grammatical, contextual issues, not just trust an experts view that may or may not be right. My experience is that most JWs will run when they cannot answer something or try to point to a pat answer from a WT tool that is refutable, flawed, and not really understood to the point of being able to defend it by the average JW (they also don't check the sources of their quotes/misquotes, but I do, so I see how they have misused credible authorities to try to gain support; quoting a trinitarian to disprove the trinity is classic stupidity and shows that they are misquoting to make the author say the opposite of what he intended; e.g. Mantey took them to task over their misuse of his Grammar).
The evidence is out there. God bless your search (that requires illumination from the Spirit).
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Jesus was just a man?
by Joey Jo-Jo inaccording to this video, jesus was just a man, but were can i find these books that speak of this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23vv6moyf0&feature=related.
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And you guys think I am nuts?
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Never, ever posted to a site before-Scarec silly
by PaintedToeNail inhi, i'm scared to death writing this that i will be discovered and have major problems.
i had a good life being raised as a jw child.
many good memories of people, places and times.
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God bless nugget.
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I need folks in Edmonton, Alberta
by mouthy ini have just had a call from a new one out in that area .
looking for others ...if you live there let me know please .
http://exjw.weebly.com .
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I like orangutans, but would not kiss one. I did have a crush on Zira of Planet of the Apes (catch the new movie in August). Too bad Cornelius got her first.
Broken: I understand that many ex-JWs do not want to be preached at, but needed it is. I respect all people who do not want to hear the gospel in person (permission needed), but there are many people reading who are not commenting and I am not just directing gospel truth at one post/poster. Silence is not always golden. Feel free to talk about the weather. I can do that too if you don't give a rip about eternity, God, heaven, hell.
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This convention blows
by Anony Mous inseriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.
i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.
) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..
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Why is this? I hope not. Many JWs are now Christians because a concerned Christian stood for truth without compromise. Speak the truth in love. I am sorry the love part is not coming out, but I would give my life for a JW to know the real Jesus (like Paul would for the Jews).
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Never, ever posted to a site before-Scarec silly
by PaintedToeNail inhi, i'm scared to death writing this that i will be discovered and have major problems.
i had a good life being raised as a jw child.
many good memories of people, places and times.
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Resident evangelical Christian if you have any doctrinal, gospel, Bible questions, etc. I believe God is leading you out of WT cult towards the risen Christ, YHWH in the flesh.
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I need folks in Edmonton, Alberta
by mouthy ini have just had a call from a new one out in that area .
looking for others ...if you live there let me know please .
http://exjw.weebly.com .
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I think you underestimate my wisdom and compassion. Ex-JWs need love and knowledge, not just someone who has the same hangups and issues and beefs with the WT. Perhaps the individual could be given a list of a few people in the city and talk to us on the internet or phone to get a feel for who they would like to meet or find helpful. They could also meet with several people once to see whom they could trust in the long run. Ideally, a support group would be good and I think I could find one without attending myself (except to maybe introduce the person). If the person is not ready or interested in considering God/Jesus, this could be stated. If they still want God, but realize WT did not know Him, then an evangelical would be the best person, even if they did not have JW background. Encouraging an X to just do what they want by way of sin or joining any old accepting group is short-sighted.