Posts by godrulz

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

It sounds like you are talking down to me. It is highly problematic to any concept of love, truth, righteousness, freedom, relationship, justice for God to only pick some to be saved for no other reason than arbitrary decree. TULIP is not a biblical view.

If you are right about determinism (and you are not), it will not matter at all if you are wrong in your Christology. Is there a reason you refuse to glorify Christ by sharing your view of who He is? If asked, I will not hesitate to defend and proclaim my biblical views.

Who is Jesus? I don't care about your soteriology if your Christology is defective.

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

dog, your view cannot explain why God arbitrarily saves some, but damns many others that He could save if He would only will it. It limits God's provision and love to an elite elect. It is contradicted by many verses that show that God wants all to be saved, commands all to repent/believe, etc.

Eph. 2:8-10 Based on Greek grammar (antecedents), salvation, not faith, is a gift of God. Receiving a free gift (Rom. 6:23) is not a meritorious work. God alone provides and initiates salvation, but faith vs unbelief is a manward issue. By receiving grace or ceasing to resist it, reciprocal love relationship is maintained (vs deterministic causation that makes God's choices arbitrary vs loving/just). In no way does this mean we initiate, earn, or provide it. The grounds (Godward/reason by which) for salvation are grace/person and work of Christ. The conditions of salvation (not without which/manward) are repentant faith/continuance in faith, not works (this is not portrayed as a gift, but as a mental-volitional response to the work of God that is non-coercive, just influential).

Do you believe in TULIP? You did not answer my Christological question, so this peripheral debate is a waste of time at the moment (and moot, non-salvific compared to the Deity of Christ).

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The Christian Onslaught

by satinka in

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*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.

i have been wondering things like:.

hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.

godrulz

No, God's kingdom is not of this world. America is not a theocracy like ancient Israel was. There is a danger of mixing politics and Christianity. I do believe in the rule of God, Christian influence through politics, etc., but most evangelicals are not Dominionists (they have some valid principles, but not as a whole world view).

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

The Decalogue is revelation from YHWH, not ripped off from pagans.

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

Calvinism vs Arminianism vs Open Theism is a peripheral issue. Rest assured, dog, that my righteousness is as filthy rags. His grace and righteousness alone is the basis for my salvation. The Calvinistic mistake is to think that responsive faith (to the conviction/convincing of the Spirit vs causation/coercion) is a work. Calvinism can be a divisive issue in Christianity, but if we both affirm the Deity and resurrection of Christ, we can share the same hope. Design and others who do not have the essentials correct should stay out of our in-house disputes.

So, dog, are you a Calvinist (what are you afraid of or hiding?), but more importantly, are you a Christian as to the Deity of Christ (is Jesus Almighty God or not)?

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Hello

by Chariklo in

i am new to this site, just finding my way around.. i've been studying with jw's for about 15 months.

i'm an unbaptised publisher, and until recently never missed a meeting, have been out "on the service" quite a lot.

i've been having difficulties with one of the jw's studying with me and something happened which was just unacceptable.

godrulz

There are many good, godless atheists. Atheists reject God, Jesus, Bible. If there is a God and a heaven/hell, then the Bible teaches that atheists will not be in heaven. You can reject the Bible as God's Word, but you should at least be fair with what it teaches. Without Scripture, my view is no better than your view. We need revelation, not raw reason. As far as any given person sitting in any given church, only God can judge the heart and relationship with Him. If Hitler persisted in his godless ways, it is safe to say that he is not in heaven. If Hitler came out of the bunker with evidence that he repented and trusted Jesus before he died, then we could be slower to judge. It is apparent that Muhammad died hating Jews, Christians, and denying the Bible God/Jesus. We can make an informed opinion in light of Scripture as to his destiny.

What we can say, in light of the NT gospel, is that those who reject Christ outright, despite being 'good', will not be in heaven.

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

Put the verses in context vs proof texts out of context (e.g. Prov. 8 SHE vs Messiah HE; personification of wisdom, not a Christological, Arian concept of Christ being created).

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

If their destinies were settled by actual choices, we are in agreement. If they were settled by decree in eternity past before the choices, then we disagree.

Anyone can claim to be biblical. My point is that Calvinism is not biblical despite their claims to be so. Mormons claim to be biblical, but they are clearly unbiblical in many places (same goes for Arian JWs, blood, holidays, GB, shunning, no cross, 1914 return, 144 K, etc.).

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Hello

by Chariklo in

i am new to this site, just finding my way around.. i've been studying with jw's for about 15 months.

i'm an unbaptised publisher, and until recently never missed a meeting, have been out "on the service" quite a lot.

i've been having difficulties with one of the jw's studying with me and something happened which was just unacceptable.

godrulz

I have affirmed that JWs are victims of a corrupt organization. There are elders who are evil and some who are good. There are many sincere, fine people, but sincerity does not create truth. Believing a false god/christ does not make you right with God despite being 'good' people. Hell will be full of good people who reject God/Christ. My issue is with the false doctrine. I cannot judge the average JW, but I can judge the beliefs (which I do not lie about). There are also many hypocritical JWs that are going door to door enticing people into the organization that they barely believe in themselves. They remain in due to jobs, friends, family, but lack integrity before God. To follow God may mean losing family (but not in JW sense). Using your logic, diametrically opposed, mutually exclusive views are equally salvific (universalism). This relativism is indefensible. Buddhists and Muslims are not Christians just because they are sincere, religious. Mormons and JWs are cultists, not Christians, so don't say they graze on God's hills. This is a deception and a lie. Instead of dealing with the absolute claims of Christ/Scripture, it is easier to diss me (ad hominem). I don't buy it.

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Encouragement letter, insight on the truth behind Jehovah's Witnesses

by Butterflyleia85 in

(this is a letter i wrote to my cousin after she left from visiting me after 3 years!!

she flew 5 hours to see me last weekend!!).

hi ****!i'm so happy you came to ***** and visited me!!

godrulz

Doing our best will still leave us falling short of the perfection and glory of God. This is why faith in Christ and His finished work alone (grace) saves us now, apart from works. We must continue in the faith vs revert to godless unbelief. We are saved now, but there is still the possibility of falling away (Heb. 6:4-6; I Jn. 5:11-13 eternal life now if in Christ).