Posts by godrulz

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Hello

by Chariklo in

i am new to this site, just finding my way around.. i've been studying with jw's for about 15 months.

i'm an unbaptised publisher, and until recently never missed a meeting, have been out "on the service" quite a lot.

i've been having difficulties with one of the jw's studying with me and something happened which was just unacceptable.

Chari: I am reading the Koran. My statement is supported by a former Muslim who memorized the Koran by age 12 (Mark Gabriel) and taught at their top University in the world in Egypt. One key is a principle of the later revelation replacing earlier ones. In the beginning, Moe was at peace with Jews/Christians because he could use them. When the shift from Mecca to Medina occurred, his new revelation was to enslave Jews/Christians or kill them if they resisted or did not pay him money to exist. People who quote the early revelations are not representing true Islam since the later revelations negate the earlier ones (Koranic principle). Someone who now has a death threat and was a top teacher for Islam is more of an expert than you and I (I also verified the differing quotes in Qu'ran that seem to contradict unless one knows about the revelation principle).

Pod: Christians are called homophobes and hate mongers for taking a moral stance against homosexuality. We do not fear homosexuals, but fear for them. Having a different view based on God's revelation does not mean we have homophobia nor hate. We speak truth in love based on God's authority and creation mandate. Homophobia is simply an empty ad hominem attack. Saying Jesus is the only way and that one must be born again may be seen as intolerant and hate rhetoric by a secular, godless media personality, but it is actually truth that needs to be proclaimed and defended. The same guy would complain about how Jesus is narrow minded, intolerant, hateful, etc. Since Jesus alone is God, risen from the dead, His claims are absolute and He truly is the only way to heaven (not generic Jesus, but the Great I AM, the Alpha and the Omega, the Mighty God, Lord Yahweh, Immanuel). Jn. 14:6; Acts 4:12 Britain is a relativistic mess needing to return to absolute truth. Granted, Christians can believe and do dumb things, so we must only condone that which is biblical.

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

I apologize for the brain damage comment. If it was about free will, your arguments were simply vapid leading to frustration. Feel free to say unkind things to me like everyone else does. Sometimes I might even deserve them. Peace.

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Jesus will come as LIGHTNING IN THE SKY!

by psychiatric in

ok, so the witnesses will tell you until they are blue in the face, what they hold is the truth, and that jesus has returned already!

(supposedly in 1914, due to some bizarre calculation of theirs).

but didn't jesus say on many occasions, (several times in chapter 24 matt) that many will come about and say there is the christ!

godrulz

The biblical, historical, orthodox position is that Jesus rose bodily from the dead with a glorified body. He was not recreated a spirit creature named Michael?! Just as He was seen ascending in the clouds, so in the same manner, He will come in power and glory, visibly, to rule and reign on earth. It is odd that JWs are such literalists and Pharisees over some things, but make other literal truths figurative when it does not fit their mold. Jesus did NOT return invisibly in 1914. There is no logical/biblical basis for this. His return for the church (rapture) and literal Second Coming with the church (revelation) is yet future. The rapture is imminent, the blessed hope of the church, but the Second Coming is preceded by 7 years of signs.

There are not many essential truths that the WT gets right.

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

It helps in communication and I have a short memory. I think people have a right to know that I have never been a JW and that I am a Christian, not a Muslim, for the sake of intelligent dialogue. You don't have to share nuttin if you don't want, but why be on a forum then? I have nothing to hide, so I will gladly answer anything people want to know (except Visa numbers, etc.).

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

Jn. 1:12; Jn. 3:16; Rom. 1:16; Rom. 10:9-10; Eph. 2:8-10; Titus 3:5; I Jn. 5:11-13 (grace through faith, not by works). 26yr. What was your experience with WT and where are you at now?

I imagine JWs deflect many verses as applying only to supposed 144K anointed. This is a lie robbing people of truth and hope. Unless anybody is born again, they cannot even see the Kingdom/King (NWT paraphrase Jn. 3:3).

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

Baptism does not cleanse from sin. Justification is forensic and means we are declared righteous, just as if we never sinned, based on grace and the person and work of Christ. It deals with the penalty of sin. Sanctification deals with the power of sin and is a progressive work by the Holy Spirit in the believer's life. We do not become sinless in ourselves, but there is provision if we do sin (I Jn. 1:9....confess, repent, obey...same blood of Christ). Glorification will ultimately remove us from the presence of sin when we are resurrected with new bodies in the presence of God. All is the work of God, but not without a cooperative element based on relationship.

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The Christian Onslaught

by satinka in

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friends

*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.

i have been wondering things like:.

hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.

godrulz

My flavor of religion is not the only right one (Pentecostal). Biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity is the only right one because it follows the only founder who is God and who rose from the dead. If Buddha was God and rose from the dead, I would endorse Buddhism. Since Buddhism is essentially atheistic and Buddha is dead as a door nail, it is a false religion.

The Bible is divine revelation. I would not know about God, Christ, salvation, gospel, etc. apart from this revelation (creation gives general vs special revelation). Christ made claims and proved them by His resurrection. The veracity of my Christian faith rises or falls on the person and work of Christ as revealed in Scripture. Christian apologetics gives more than enough reasons to believe, but most are too lazy or arrogant to do anything other than scoff and mock.

If there is a God, and there is, then He is responsible and has revealed Himself. Hundreds of millions would die for their faith in God that is based on facts, not presumption. We can also show why modern Mormonism, JWs, Christian Science, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Islam, Moonies, etc. are not divine revelation, but counterfeits, false religions. The Word will again be the standard of truth. This is not begging the question/circular reasoning if the Word is in fact from God.

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Your best one sentence JW comeback contest

by moshe in

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friends

i am looking for your best jw comeback- the kind that makes a jw's jaw drop.

ok, even two pithy sentences will do.. here's one i have used before on jws,.

moshe: " do you know what an oxymoron is?

godrulz

Today, two younger JW girls came to my door. I just quoted Scripture about who Jesus is and asked why the WT systematically changes these verses in the NWT, contrary to KIT. She wants to bring her step-father back because they had no answers to simple verses in the Word that contradicted their Arian view. They tried to change the subject to blood, but I am a paramedic who knows the difference between the digestive and circulatory system, between Jews not eating blood and modern men saving lives with it (the sanctity of life trumps even Sabbath laws). They kept saying that they never heard of that or that they did not know the answers. I reminded them not to trust the WT, their parents, etc., but that they would be responsible before God for what the Word actually says. Truth silences the lie when presented respectfully in love. Smart aleck comments are fun, but they shut down dialogue. Lifting up Jesus draws all men to Himself and gives the hope/possibility of abundant and eternal life and freedom from a slave organization. I commended them for their zeal, but rebuked them for their lack of biblical knowledge. I affirmed love for them and a common desire to know and serve God, to see His kingdom come, etc. A mission field at my doorstep...doesn't get better than that.

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

Rom. 1-3 establishes man's universal condemnation due to sin. All men are sinners without excuse in need of a sinless Savior. Thankfully, He has provided justification in Christ for those who believe (Rom. 4-5). Heaven is not limited to JW 144K elite nor Calvinistic elite elect (limited atonement with non-elect unable/unwilling to respond to a persuasive gospel presentation that God honestly intends to use for the conversion of all those who are willing to come on His terms).

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What say you Christians ???

by wobble in

it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

godrulz

Right on, Jesus is Jehovah! Were you ever a JW? Do you like Piper, Sproul, Packer, Lloyd-Jones, F.F. Bruce, Edwards, etc.? I do....