Outlaw,
What was the hilarious stunt?
the wts has repeatedly stated that one of the main reasons for disfellowshiping is to "keep the congregation clean.
" another reason is to shame the offender into toeing the wt party line, although they don't quite put it that way.. on the other hand, there are numerous examples of elder hounders hunting down and dfing people who have totally and voluntarily extricated themselves from the "congregation" and its members for years.
obviously, they aren't bothering the congregation(s) or active dubs at all, and obviously they aren't interested into being "shamed" in order to get back in.. one can only conclude that the motives of the elder hounders are vindictive.
Outlaw,
What was the hilarious stunt?
hey!.
i have a question regarding creation thats burning me.
i dont have any clever arguments depending on what is answered, i am just curious.. first off i want to say that i think people are free to believe whatever they want.
HappyGuy: i have to bite. you do know that the concept of 'species' is not a 100% set-in-stones definition like 'numbers' or 'an atom', rather there are a lot of different definitions. read the wikipedia article for more information.
bohm,
Really? Why don't you tell me that the big round yellow thing in the sky is called the sun? Why do you insult me by assuming that I am some kind of retard?
I'm sorry that I thought you wanted to have a rational discussion of this topic.
I'm out.
hey!.
i have a question regarding creation thats burning me.
i dont have any clever arguments depending on what is answered, i am just curious.. first off i want to say that i think people are free to believe whatever they want.
bohm,
The KT layer has a high concentration of iridium and other platinum family metals which may indicate an extraterrestial event.
The KT layer also has numerous small dark glassy spehericals which are formed from violent explosions and molten rock which indicate either volcanic activity on an unthinkable scale or an extraterriestial event.
The KT layer also consists of large numbers of shocked quartz grains which can indicate a nuclear blast or a massive volcanic blast.
Is this what you were referring to?
the wts has repeatedly stated that one of the main reasons for disfellowshiping is to "keep the congregation clean.
" another reason is to shame the offender into toeing the wt party line, although they don't quite put it that way.. on the other hand, there are numerous examples of elder hounders hunting down and dfing people who have totally and voluntarily extricated themselves from the "congregation" and its members for years.
obviously, they aren't bothering the congregation(s) or active dubs at all, and obviously they aren't interested into being "shamed" in order to get back in.. one can only conclude that the motives of the elder hounders are vindictive.
OUTLAW
Huh????
Elder "Hello Brother Absent, we have come here to tell you that we will not be able to associate with you any more"
Brother Absent, "But we don't associate"
Elder "Exactly, that is why we are disfellowshipping you so that we cannot associate"
Brother Absent, "but I have not spoken to any of you people in ten years"
Elder, "Exactly why we have to make sure that we don't associate with you"
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Sounds pretty stupid to me.
the wts has repeatedly stated that one of the main reasons for disfellowshiping is to "keep the congregation clean.
" another reason is to shame the offender into toeing the wt party line, although they don't quite put it that way.. on the other hand, there are numerous examples of elder hounders hunting down and dfing people who have totally and voluntarily extricated themselves from the "congregation" and its members for years.
obviously, they aren't bothering the congregation(s) or active dubs at all, and obviously they aren't interested into being "shamed" in order to get back in.. one can only conclude that the motives of the elder hounders are vindictive.
There has to be a legal basis for criminal charges.
Let's examine the facts.
1. Elders threaten you with an action that will cause you IMMENSE emotional trauma, the total cutting off of contact with your family and friends.
2. The action will be announced in public, slandering you and causing you embarrassment at the least and emotional harm at the most.
3. The elders are actively "investigating" you and accepting gossip and hearsay as "evidence".
4. The elders say that unless you do what you are told (not their exact words but that is the point) and agree to slavishly obey the WTBTS and all its dictates then you will have the action described in #1 above taken against you.
Isn't this extortion?
If you don't do A I will take action B. Where B is illegal? Isn't that extortion?
hey!.
i have a question regarding creation thats burning me.
i dont have any clever arguments depending on what is answered, i am just curious.. first off i want to say that i think people are free to believe whatever they want.
I can assure you that you cannot attend a lecture in botany (At least) without having the evolutionary relationships of the species under discussion taken as a given from the start.
An unproven "given" being propounded by people who blindly accept the dogma of the church of progress.
hey!.
i have a question regarding creation thats burning me.
i dont have any clever arguments depending on what is answered, i am just curious.. first off i want to say that i think people are free to believe whatever they want.
ID,
your example is not an example of Evolution as I understand its proponents to mean it.
Two existing species mated and created an offspring which is not sterile. I find that difficult to believe. I will take your word for it. But, that is not evolution the way I understand that term.
I don't see how your example 'proves' that a species can mutate and poof out pops a new species. Your example is a very different case. I have posed this problem to many people and no one has given me an example where it can be proven that species A mutated and then we had species B.
"Proving" certain aspects of evolutionary theory as being correct does not make the theory as a whole established fact. And it does not give you the kind of absolutism that evolutionists claim when they dismiss people like me out of hand who believe that there is a First Cause and that there is some sort of underlying design to the material universe.
I don't believe the Bible creation story. I also do not believe that complex life forms can spring from simple life forms due to the problems inherent in the example I gave about the human eye.
hey!.
i have a question regarding creation thats burning me.
i dont have any clever arguments depending on what is answered, i am just curious.. first off i want to say that i think people are free to believe whatever they want.
Agonus' post and my remebering the aberration event that is present in the sediment layers leads me to make a hypothesis about UFOs, the UFOs that cannot be explained away as weather balloons, or gas, or bats, or whatever.
We know that on several occasions the earth has experienced an extinction level event of the dominant life forms.
In the recent past, an unknown global event occurred as evidenced in the sediment layers, what this event was no one knows, other than to say that it was global and left a very strange sediment layer which is very thin and totally unlike the sediment layers above and below it. It is a kind of elastic "clay", very strange material, known to earth of course but very strange.
Perhaps this event was an extinction level event, only humans living at the time predicted the event and evacuated the earth, so humans were not made extinct. And the Noah's ark story is really the story of one evacuation ark which was allowed to return to earth to keep life on earth going and the majority of the evacuees went elsewhere in the galaxy. Of course the 'ark' would have had to have been made of many vessels, perhaps a mother ship and smaller craft.
So the UFOs are the descendents of our human ancestors. And the Noah's ark story is not so far fetched after all?
Granted this is a HYPOTHESIS, so please don't try to debate me over this, I don't claim this as fact.
hey!.
i have a question regarding creation thats burning me.
i dont have any clever arguments depending on what is answered, i am just curious.. first off i want to say that i think people are free to believe whatever they want.
Assuming the bible never mentioned Noahs ark and the global deluge. It was completely neutral on the issue. Yet you knew all the arguments you do now both for and against a global deluge. Would you then believe that there had been a global deluge a couple of thousand years ago?
LIke I said, I don't believe the bible.
I have seen evidence that there was a very strange global event in the recent past. No one knows what it was. The evidence is a very thin sediment layer that is completely unlike all the layers both above and below it, found everywhere on earth. Something happened, which was a total aberration, all over the world, at the same time. No one kows what it was. Deluge? Volcanic activity? Huge asteroid?
Perhaps the global deluge story and the abberation in the sediment layers are related somehow.
as many of you know, when i left the borg i did the perfect fade by emigrating half way accorss the globe.
i have never given out my new address ( the overseass postal service... totaly crap, what can you do huh;) i have also changed my email account too and my phone number.
therefore i have effectively disapeared!
Send them a link to the hotel Sisimiut in nothern Greenland.
http://www.southtravels.com/america/greenland/hotelsisimiut/index.html