TheSilence, Hello and thank you very much for sharing your story!! There are alot of people on here who are rude because I asked a simple question (kindof like the wt organization). I appreciated your story and it helped me to see that you were welcomed with hugs and kisses when you decided to celebrate Christmas. Im sure you can understand how I would feel hypocritical of myself if I decided to start celebrating Christmas now (for 24yrs I have condemned it). Again, thank you very much for sharing!
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221Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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Finally-free, we can enlarge it even further and ask "WHY DONT YOU GET THE F*CK OFF MY THREAD IF YOU DONT CARE WHAT I THINK"?
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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This is MY THREAD that I started. Like I said before, I was looking for a way to justify celebrating Christmas (my wife asked me a couple of weeks ago to celebrate it with her family). Why the heck can't u accept that!! I dont win any presents (lol) lying to anyone!! There wasnt anything wrong with me asking about their kids being mad about Santa being real! This is a open forum I can ask whatever I want! Why cant you accept that I needed justification for celebrating Christmas and started a thread to convince MYSELF!!! Im sure you wouldn't call me a "lier" or say that Im "hiding behind bullshit" if you saw me in person, and THAT IS A FACT!! So I will continue to not take you seriously!!
jookbeard- I DONT CARE!! WTF do I care how long he has been making you laugh? Yall dating? He isn't funny to me. That dumb 1970's dog laughing he posts on all his dumb nonfunny (lol) post isnt funny and he is annoying TO ME!! Actually, if you aren't answering the question I started this thread for, you shouldnt even waste your time posting on this. Their were great answers to it as well as people who were offended because they celebrate a pagan holiday and tried to justify it!
DubR
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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PSacramento, do you not read the posts on previous pages before you make a blind point that doesn't need to be made? Pastor Russell was a false prophet, who cares what he thought!!! Who cares what JWs think!! They are a cult, you know that!! Take the time out to read ALL previous posts (at least by the originator of the thread) before you make a post!! Please
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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Outlaw again you are ANNOYING and have to have the last word. And your humor is not funny!!! When I first asked this question, it was to help me come to a choice of can I personally justify celebrating Christmas since im no longer a JW or not (even if I dont believe in the Bible anymore) . After reading over 20 posts that were justifications from people that were actually offended that someone asked why they celebrate a pagan religion....YOU ARE DARN RIGHT MY REASON FOR STARTING THIS THREAD CHANGED!! Like I said in an earlier post (you can find that post and repost it in quotes like you always do) I completely understand ones who said they dont care if its pagan or not, they are free to do it and its fun. That appealed to me. Then, there was post darn near condemning me of asking the question and that was not kool with me!! Or you can continue to take my post out of context if you have no life !!
So again your sarcasm is not funny, you are annoying; you will not get the last word!
Gayle, please stop lying to this guy lol!!!
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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Granny-Believe it or not, nice people exist in this world. To give the credit of them being nice human beings to God, it lessens the love those people personally have and gives it to an non-existing being (IMO).
JWoods-You should know that no number was given on the number of Magi in the bible. And this is an example of the stupidity in the bible (IMO). How the heck can a star in the sky guide ANYONE!!! It makes noo sense!
Lovelylil-Thank you for sort of understanding me being pissed with religion. I see it as a very dangerous mechanism that some use to give power and riches to themselves and enslave others. The statement you made:
"Everyone has to believe in something positive in their life. If you don't believe in God, then I hope you can believe in family, good friends, love and most of all believe in peace."
This statement is the type of stupid ideology I find in the Christian community. You suggest that just because I dont believe in the Bible or the God of the Bible (because bible doesnt agree with FACT) , that you would have to hope that I can believe in family, good friends, love; peace. WTF!!! People like you are the ones I were making a point to on this thread (self-righteous Christians who damn atheist and agnostics). Ex-Jws are not evil people because they find out the truth is not the truth. Atheists and agnostics are not evil people because they find out that the Bible was made up from uneducated men who mixed true and false history with myths and fanciful thinking, then later Catholics (the most bloodguilty and corrupt religious group) edits this books and sells it as God's divine Word!! I guess I could say "Just because im not a Christian, im sure I value family, friends, love; peace more than you."
DubR
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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JWoods, me personally I think Christmas would make much more sense if it was no longer promoted to be Christ birth and the Santa idea was done away with. And no matter how much you try to justify lying to your kids telling them that Santa fit his fat butt down the chimney and left a present for them...its STILL a STUPID TRADITION!! No it wont kill them, no they wont go to therepy for it; no I could care less if you choose to keep lying to them or not. But dont try to justify the lie. Its ok to say "Well DubR its just for fun"!! I respect that. Anyone who believes in the bible needs to know that their God hates them for lying to their kids. Heck I love violent video games and if I was still a Christian I would believe that my bible God hated me because "HE" hates everyone loving violents! I wouldn't try to justify it. But then again, I dont believe in the Bible so heck do whatever makes life fun. We ONLY have one life to live!! And if you are not a atheist condemning person, none of my posts were directed at you.
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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hi granny!! i must say I dont believe the Bible is God's Word, therefore I dont believe your God gave me my brain anymore. Also, I always try to smile at people ( I really am a nice guy and would give any member on here the shirt off my back). I will admit that religion has made me a bit bitter but I am still a nice and happy person throughout the year. And at the end of the day, it doesnt matter if one chooses to or not to celebrate Christmas. But, it will make it alot harder for ex-JW who celebrate Christmas to prove to family members who are still active JWs that they are RIGHT!
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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Also, I take back my statement about maybe celebrating Christmas this year or ever!! If I had (for example) a 6 year old and decided to buy him a PS3, I would not lie to him and tell him that Santa Claus was the one who payed over $300 for him (or magically conjured it up). To me that is a STUPID TRADITION!! So after reading most of these lame brain excuses of justifying why some celebrate Christmas, it reminded me of back when I told my oldest sister about the origins of the Jehovah's Witness. All she said was...."so, that was in the past. the organization doesn't do those things now anymore. the organization have changed and realized what they did was wrong. the organization only tries to help people." My sister justified the Jehovah's Witnesses and of course directing her statements to celebrating Christmas (after knowing the origins) it seems very similiar as to what some of you do to justify Christmas and Santa lol. So to sum it up, thank you all for input to help me make a choice that I wasnt sure on for a while since I left the JWs. I wont give in to the silly celebration (IMO) of Christmas. And when I say celebrating Christmas im talking about putting up a Christmas tree, saying Merry Christmas; passing down the lie about Santa Claus.
DubR
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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To each his own yo, but I was making a point to self-righteous Christians and these retarded "im anointed and part of the elect" Christians running around here that condemn atheists and agnostics but celebrate a holiday that Im sure would get them killed by their jealous retarded God!!
DubR