first i caution anyone new to having faith in the bible on their own on reading further in this thread, i'm checking for who has researched this and who wants to research it.
this may be very disturbing.
i don't know why i can't seem to find any other sources having caught on to this, it may be god's time for this to be revealed.
Not gonna post anymore on this, if anyone wants to research this too, PM me. Tonight's research has been.....look up the KJV ORIGINAL and the new one, look up 1 Chronicles 1:2 and 1:6 and compare the two.
I got a whole lot more then that, but I have stated this, tomorrow gonna have to see where both were translated from, to see if it's a modern day scam or from where they were translated from. Comparing to other ancient books is bringing much light.
first i caution anyone new to having faith in the bible on their own on reading further in this thread, i'm checking for who has researched this and who wants to research it.
this may be very disturbing.
i don't know why i can't seem to find any other sources having caught on to this, it may be god's time for this to be revealed.
Larsinger58 -
I don't care one bit about Satan or about his things, the extent is only when related to pure worship and his attempts to twist it to himself, and his wants. In a sense, if walking through a mine field, if your able to get a copy of the map of the minefield from the enemy, you will see his traps. On the sametime, you may be given a copy your told from an ally which has it's map, but if it was a fake one from the enemy, your going to die.
The fact that an apparent twisting is in the bible, in Genesis, and the bible is not one book but 66? The books where selected 300 years after Christs death, when Jesus was on earth, the apostles books hadn't yet been written.
I do not think that God left us with no way to get the truth, and that what we do have available to us, is enough for us to be acceptable to him. With recent developments since 1940's, the internet, and if some key parts of the truth had been hidden, could also be his time to set matters straight.
I believe what I brought out, and if of any importance not of my own accord, will be a KEY to that. If it's related to a breakthrough, all credit belongs to God. When I was 14/15 years old, I began studying the roots of paganism, read the two babylons book, and identifying how true worship was corrupted 300 years after Christs death. Why somebody so young as that would do that, then what I have ran into now, my purpose in life may be related to this..... I have also seen how differences in scriptures, like the gospels, actually contain hidden messages, so there could be a hidden message in that as well, so I am not saying to discredit the book of Genesis. It could be a hidden message, it could be only those names changed around, or could be far deeper then both.
One thing that would really help, if people can list the oldest known copies of the bible, hebrew/greek scriptures, new and old testament. I am going to compare those exact scriptures on them for a start. As well as what books were exluded from the bible, but contain the same geneologies as well. (the ancient texts showing the original writings, with the direct english translation of the "word", and then how the words were arranged into coherent english sentences as published on the bible.
If there are ancient books or scripts with the geneology of Cain and Seth, which greatly differ with completely unrelated names that are no way related, that's what I would be very interested in reviewing. If all the same, plan B, C, D.
we use to joke around and use the line from danny deveto on romancing the stone where he is asking michael dougless when he is coming back, soon very soon as a way to make fun of the believers who would keep telling us on stage the end was soon very soon.
they started this after the 75 and 2000 failure.
what are they saying now?.
now only are the JW's, but many others as well, all religions that believe in an end time, are all teaching it's very close now.
I'm under 30, and I've seen the whole world conditions rapidly decline since 97
first i caution anyone new to having faith in the bible on their own on reading further in this thread, i'm checking for who has researched this and who wants to research it.
this may be very disturbing.
i don't know why i can't seem to find any other sources having caught on to this, it may be god's time for this to be revealed.
JWoods - Christ means annointed, King David was a Christ, Moses was, etc. But let me explain, I couldn't think of the right word/words to use, but apostacy/false, many think all of that would happen 'after' the bible was fully complete.
That until 300AC+, there was the teachings of the true bible, and the other writings were to different false gods, etc.
The dead sea scrolls are said to date 150BCE to 70CE. If that is true, and the other books with them, as well as the apostacy spoken of in the early prophets against Israel, then there had been attempts LONG prior to that to change history and corrupt the bible.
So that either as early as Cain's time, or changes made to holy writings, that at work are attempts to have an alternate reality of what really transpired and trick everyone. (you will see this very clearly if you look at any of those books I mentioned, it's like the bible, but with different outcomes)
I guess instead of Anitchrist, I should say antitruth? On the other hand, it could have been put there to throw people off, that nothing else was changed, but those seeing that would question the truth or read these anti truth books.
first i caution anyone new to having faith in the bible on their own on reading further in this thread, i'm checking for who has researched this and who wants to research it.
this may be very disturbing.
i don't know why i can't seem to find any other sources having caught on to this, it may be god's time for this to be revealed.
O and WTWizard, it very well can be a sneaky change put in. If somebody is able to, (I am planning to do it), but find all the oldest sources and copies of the hebrew and greek scriptures which all translations are from. Any others as well, and compare all those documents on these particular scriptures.
WTWizard........did you ever consider that everything your told about God could also be untrue. That the bad things you think of him are lies and twists from Satan, and you are insulting the Almighty based on lies? Are you judging God based on what could have originated from man and God's enemies?
Consider this.....the tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and bad. Prior to them partaking of that, they did not realize they were naked, they did not know it was wrong. Jehovah was not holding that against them, or having them follow that set of rules, (who knows what would have happened if they had not), but after they did, they knew, and sin had worked in them. Some of these other books in the bible, have a bit of a different story, that it was 'after' being told and having knowledge of what sin is, is when those things account as sin for a person. If they had not known, and they were working in clean conscience, it would not be sin. Sin is knowing and then doing. That is why the bible says that after one knows the truth then 'practices' sin, there is no longer sacrifice left for it. Increased knowledge appears to give increased accountability as well as wrath and jealousy. If one knows they are unable to do something yet another seems to be getting away with it, and then with forgiveness and being judgemental, one abstaining from something seeing another doing it will be judgemental because of jealously and wrath yet even that person is guilty of sin and they can condemn themselves by judging when they are not free of sin.
The TRUTH is on the verge of really coming out. Paul said we prophesy partially and have partial knowledge, until the restoration.
When you look at news reports, for example Congo, etc, where millions are butchered, or each day 30,000+ children die of starvation, etc, is it loving for God to create everything and give man unlimited free will and allow him to do these things? Let the wicked do what he wants and hurt as many as he wants? Jesus explained that the fullfillment of the law is love. If one had love for his neighbor, one would not do these things.
At the entrance to my workplace, there is a statue, it's a man inside a circle who is outstreched, the caption is, "I am free within the bounds of civility."
Rethink what your beliefs are, and what they are based on. If there is any chance, (as you see in my post), they may be based on a counterfeit or scam, that this scam and lie may have overcome you and cost you your life, but being that your still here, may not be too late to make any changes.
first i caution anyone new to having faith in the bible on their own on reading further in this thread, i'm checking for who has researched this and who wants to research it.
this may be very disturbing.
i don't know why i can't seem to find any other sources having caught on to this, it may be god's time for this to be revealed.
There are so many views but almost no comments. I'm curious, are those who actually have read my whole post in shock, or are you trying to find additional information, or just didn't even understand this and nothing to say?
Looking online I can't find anything like this. The most that anyone had seemed to catch onto was why cainan is in luke but not genesis, and dismissed as a typo perhaps. I can't find other sources having seen the link that both lines are identical.
first i caution anyone new to having faith in the bible on their own on reading further in this thread, i'm checking for who has researched this and who wants to research it.
this may be very disturbing.
i don't know why i can't seem to find any other sources having caught on to this, it may be god's time for this to be revealed.
To add to my above posts, on the 5 generations down and the 7. The difference in the 2, is that on Seths side you have Enosh AND Enoch, and also have Kenan/Cainan. SO again yes both are identical, there are no names that were completely different, absolutely not related to another.
This also makes sense in Luke as well. For the extra insertation.
At the very least, using this to compare translations of the bible, or should I say, the scrolls in which the translations originated. The scrolls which the hebrew and greek were copied from, could also give further insight.
first i caution anyone new to having faith in the bible on their own on reading further in this thread, i'm checking for who has researched this and who wants to research it.
this may be very disturbing.
i don't know why i can't seem to find any other sources having caught on to this, it may be god's time for this to be revealed.
AGAIN I DON'T RECOMMEND EVERYBODY READING THIS,
Okay, now Cain's 5th generation down is Lamech, Seths 7th generation down is Lamech. The sons each of them had in their geneologies till Lamech are all IDENTICAL, having the letters changed around!
Enoch = Enosh (one letter changed to throw off even though further down line is an Enoch)
Irad = Jared (Remember indiana jones, in hebrew Jehovah begins with an I ) Irad=Iared
Cain/Kenan/Cainan - all reference to Cain, and Kenan/Cainan begin the Cainannites
Mehujael=mahelalel
Methushael = methusaleh (identical letters as well, just mixed around at the end)
Now Lamech had Noah, then came the Flood, and after the flood Noahs sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, who's sons are where all nations/etc are from, Compare their names to Cains sons of Lamech
(Javan, Jubal, Tubal-Cain) to (Canaan, Jaban, Tubal)
Now Jump over to Luke, and you'll see where Ke'nan/Cainan is inserted very shortly after Noah's flood as father of Eber or omitted from Genesis.
You also saw between different versions of the bible, most of the names are IDENTICAL, yet on the controversial parts especially, or where things seem to change, big differences. (ie Ke'nan/Cainan) If you compare the beginning of Luke 3, for example the Gideon bible to the New World Translation.
Now the New World Translation is based off of Scripts translated by Horton and Prescott I believe, if you look at certain versions of bible, they seem to go in 1 of 2 different ways, most likely showing which ancient scripts they were translated from.
At the moment, all of this, although very interesting and perhaps scary for some, the questions might be,,,,,,so what? At this point is where the ancient books of Enoch, Secrets of Enoch, Book of Jubilees, Book of Jasper, etc come in to play as well.
We know Enoch was a true servant of God, he walked with him and was taken away. We also know Cains Enoch had a great city named after him. Which part of the story is the falsehood? Did both exisit or only one? The DEAD SEA SCROLLS, and these ancient texts that have been found in recent history, and with references to things unexplained in the bible. IS there is a dark truth coming to light? Is a dark lie being published?
Now those other books, as well as the bible. If you do not believe in the bible, or in God, these controversies might even get you to rethink. There is NO WAY, absolutely NO WAY, that such an alternate or copy / antichrist/ antitruth could be so perfectly woven and conspired over thousands of years and with many writers, in such a perfect way.
It has to be obvious that there are two very strong opposing forces at work here, supernatural. And for those who believe in the Bible and God, very much hard proof of Satan trying to create and duplicate / rewrite history to his own agenda.
(I won't put what further research and since then has been bringing me too, too long to type out, if any are on this or are now going to investigate, feel free to PM me. )
My intelligence I do not believe had anything to do with me seeing what I just wrote about, and connecting those pieces of the puzzle. If any of it is hidden truth, it was defintely from God and holy spirit. It's so clear, either I just never heard of it, or I wonder how it's not common knowledge. If it's not common knowledge, then the world is blinded to it.
first i caution anyone new to having faith in the bible on their own on reading further in this thread, i'm checking for who has researched this and who wants to research it.
this may be very disturbing.
i don't know why i can't seem to find any other sources having caught on to this, it may be god's time for this to be revealed.
Shem Shem
Ar pach shad (Arphaxad) Ar pach shad (Arphaxad)
NWTShe'lah(Salah) Cainan(both bible versions)
Eber She'lah(both versions)
first i caution anyone new to having faith in the bible on their own on reading further in this thread, i'm checking for who has researched this and who wants to research it.
this may be very disturbing.
i don't know why i can't seem to find any other sources having caught on to this, it may be god's time for this to be revealed.
NWT(Ke'nan)Cainan NWT(Ca i nan) Cainan (The New World Translation in Geneis is Ke'nan but in Luke is Cainan)
Mahalalel NWTMahalaleel (Mahalalel) (New World Translation has extra e at the end in Luke)
Jared Jared
Enoch Enoch
Methuselah Methuselah
Lamech Lamech
Noah &a
