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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

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  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  Apognophos - I agree with your example for flounders and all relevant species like that example.

  Here is one from your article that does do it on purpose,

  Self-decoration [ edit ]

  Self-decorated sea urchin Further information: Decorator crab

  Self-decoration is employed by animals in different groups, including decorator crabs, which attach materials from their environment, as well as living organisms, to camouflage themselves. For example the Japanese hermit crab, Eupagurus constans, has the hydroid Hydractinia sodalis growing all over the shell that it lives in. Another hermit crab, Eupagurus cuanensis, has the aposematic orange spongeSuberites domuncula which is bitter-tasting and not eaten by fish. [20]

  Similarly, Sea urchins use their tube feet to pick up debris from the bottom and attach it to their upper surfaces. They use shells, rocks, algae and sometimes sea anemones. [21]

  But those behaviors in the above example could be an evolution, they learned to hide themselves. However what wouldn't make sense is if how those creatures above are hiding themselves, they suddenly developed the ability to change their bodies to appear that way vs putting those things on them. That's the question.
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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  apognophos, what about this example from the article you linked....." the big blue octopus , Octopus cyanea , hunts during the day, and can match itself to the colours and textures of its surroundings, both to avoid predators and to enable it to approach prey. It can perfectly resemble a rock or a coral it is hiding beside. When necessary, in order to scare away a potential predator, it can display markings which resemble eyes"

  I accept that some animals and species have camoflauge as a by product or response and they may have just survived because of it. It's different from those who like the chameleon and big blue octopus that can "match itself to it's surroundings, perfectly resemble a rock or coral it is hiding beside', etc.

  The only answer I can think from an athiest point of view might be that at some point an alien scientist genetically modified one to have that ability haha.
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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  Thank you apognophos for your input. I like how you admitted you can not answer the question and brought up a close alternative to try to answer it. Unlike cofty unwilling to admit and trying to be condescending with telling me to read 'basic' books as if the answer that you yourself admit you don't know should be basic elementary knowledge that doesn't even warrant an answer haha. And perhaps the answer has yet to be discovered.

  I'm replying to your article in the next post.
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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  Cofty - your condescending comments without an ability to answer the question imply that you do not know the answer and trying to divert that lack of knowledge to me. Why don't you read some 'basic' (elementary, grade school books, implying you are an idiot) yourself and then perhaps you can explain, defend, and answer the question instead of trying to close the argument by having me do the research that you yourself are unwilling to do.
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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  apognophos - my theory assuming the species are the same is that the chameleons are comfortable w/ their human handlers so their color changes are only mood based since they don't feel the need to camouflage. That theory could be tested by presenting them w/ predators, etc, out of their comfort zone and seeing what happens.
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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  Okay I'll accept your backing out of this debate.

  What is my problem?

  Okay, chart out an evolutionary process that will allow humans to camouflage exactly like chameleons do, whether it takes 1,000 years, 1 million years, or 1 billion years, without direct scientists intervention, at some point in the future a human can do what chameleons do, and it must be by evolution only.
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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  " There is this myth that chameleons change colour to blend in with their surroundings, but this is actually not true. "

  That's what your article said,,,,,my article says, "

  Using a spectrometer, the team took readings of the colour shades and brightness of the background and the chameleon. Then, after the chameleon had spotted the model predator and changed colour, they took another set of readings.

  The chameleons colour-matched their backgrounds much more closely when presented with a bird than a snake, the team found."

  Both articles have opposite claims, my article is backed by research and study.
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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  I read the link, as you said chameleons changing their appearence to camouflage and hide from predators is a myth, which the link and article I then posted refrutes that claim.
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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  Chameleons' mastery of camouflage goes further than anyone expected - it seems they can fine-tune their colour changes to the visual systems of specific predators.

  Devi Stuart-Fox at the University of Melbourne, Australia, and colleagues studied the Smith's dwarf chameleon (Bradypodion taeniabronchum), which lives in South Africa.

  This critically endangered chameleon can alter its colour palette in milliseconds, either for camouflage or for social signalling.

  The team captured eight males and eight females of the species. They placed them on a branch and presented them with realistic models of two of their biggest predators: the fiscal shrike (a bird that impales chameleons on thorns before eating them) and a venomous tree snake called the boomslang.

  Bird threat

  Using a spectrometer, the team took readings of the colour shades and brightness of the background and the chameleon. Then, after the chameleon had spotted the model predator and changed colour, they took another set of readings.

  The chameleons colour-matched their backgrounds much more closely when presented with a bird than a snake, the team found.

  However, when the team modelled the visual systems of both predators, they found that the chameleon still appeared better camouflaged to the snake than the bird, thanks to the snake's relatively poor colour vision. In the presence of a snake, it seems, the chameleons just don't have to try as hard.

  Subtle changes

  The researchers noticed that the chameleons were also consistently paler, compared with their background, when presented with the tree snake.

  "This is probably because while birds usually approach from above, putting the chameleon against a dark background, snakes usually approach from below, putting it against a background of a light, bright sky," says Stuart-Fox.

  Other animals can adjust their defensive behaviour or appearance in response to different predators.

  For instance, the ground squirrel pumps more hot, infrared emitting blood into its tail when it spots an infra-red sensing rattlesnake. But this is the first time anyone has observed an animal modifying that change to best avoid being seen.
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  One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the part that does make sense are how bodies adapt over time to surroundings and use.

  for example because of eating habits changing, our jaws have become smaller and we don't need wisdom teeth.

  or the effect of the sun on our skin, etc.

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  EndofMysteries

  read this, it refutes the article you linked

  http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13944-chameleons-finetune-camouflage-to-predators-vision.html#.UxtiNPmsh8E