Posts by EndofMysteries

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WT is a human rights violator according to the definition of state.gov and USA law - time for us to start putting pressure in lawmakers!

by EndofMysteries in

religious freedom taken from http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper.

quotingdirectly from the article...."it is the responsibility of governments to safeguard universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the right to life and the freedom of conscience, belief, practice, worship, and to explain and change ones faith.........people cannot enjoy religious freedom unless they have both the right to express their beliefs freely and change their religion without facing persecution, violence, or discrimination.... (ask yourself if the wt article i'm quoting next is allowing the freedom to change religion without discrimination and persecution.

so with that being said.....is the wt protecting religious freedom?

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I go into that more in the second topic I linked to above. Whatever difference you think there is, only the person shunning their parents is making the decision to do so. There are lots of influences all around us - it's up to each one of us which ones we chose to listen to.
You can't legislate away stupid.

Based on that reasoning then it would be perfectly okay for the WT to publish articles saying, "Thus, one who is loyal to God could easily feel strong ties of loyalty to a close friend or relative even if that person is practicing what is bad. We must remember that Jehovah always merits our primary loyalty. (Shows some OT scriptures) As you can see Jehovah wants us to put them to death. (shows scriptures on obey God rather than man). So even though man's law forbids us to put somebody to death, God's law is above that. If we know of somebody practicing homosexuality or committing fornication, let's follow the bold example of the early israelites and storm in their tent(house) and put them to death! Let us also not forget those who abandon the truth are even more deserving of death. John Smith, even though in jail for life, had this to say..."My mother pleaded with me not to kill her, but I knew by killing her I was actually saving her because the great tribulation hadn't come yet and either way I had to keep my dedication and loyalty to the organization above all else!" What a fine example!

So Simon, is that allowed too? The WT would not get in trouble because in the end it's the person who would choose to do anything right? If not, what is the difference between instructing people to murder vs coerce and intimidate to deny their religious freedom?

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WT is a human rights violator according to the definition of state.gov and USA law - time for us to start putting pressure in lawmakers!

by EndofMysteries in

religious freedom taken from http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper.

quotingdirectly from the article...."it is the responsibility of governments to safeguard universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the right to life and the freedom of conscience, belief, practice, worship, and to explain and change ones faith.........people cannot enjoy religious freedom unless they have both the right to express their beliefs freely and change their religion without facing persecution, violence, or discrimination.... (ask yourself if the wt article i'm quoting next is allowing the freedom to change religion without discrimination and persecution.

so with that being said.....is the wt protecting religious freedom?

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Anyway today I contacted the state.gov and department of justice on discrimination/human rights violations, etc. I'll post their responses when they get back to me.

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WT is a human rights violator according to the definition of state.gov and USA law - time for us to start putting pressure in lawmakers!

by EndofMysteries in

religious freedom taken from http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper.

quotingdirectly from the article...."it is the responsibility of governments to safeguard universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the right to life and the freedom of conscience, belief, practice, worship, and to explain and change ones faith.........people cannot enjoy religious freedom unless they have both the right to express their beliefs freely and change their religion without facing persecution, violence, or discrimination.... (ask yourself if the wt article i'm quoting next is allowing the freedom to change religion without discrimination and persecution.

so with that being said.....is the wt protecting religious freedom?

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It does not mean that all your previous follow believers still have to invite you to BBQ's and family events if that istheir belief.

As per this example...."Especially when someone close to us abandons the truth(Watchtower) must we remember that Jehovah always merits our primary loyalty....Anne [1]received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother. The mother wanted to visit Anne because she felt pained by her isolation from the family.Before writing, she reviewed Bible principles(What the WT said). "The only way you can relieve your pain is by returning to Jehovah(The Watchtower),” Anne wrote.

There is a big difference between a person on their own deciding to shun somebody and the WT teaching to shun your parents, to not even email ,etc. A person is free to shun anybody they choose and free to be racist, hate gays and religions, et. An organization is NOT free to teach others and instruct others to coerce and deny religious freedom. You seem to think or equate that everything people do in the organization is their own free will choice and not because of specific instructions from the published magazines they study that reinteract the shunning several times a year.

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Ooo...Mmm...Ggg premonitory dream. Can't believe it

by Tempest in a Teacup in

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so, the whole weekend i spent it dozing on and off.

this morning, before waking up, i had a dream.

i was passing by a building in france (i don't live in europe) and then i recognized a certain building as the one where one of my friends who lives in that country lives.

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I believe we have a form of telepathy, the reason why many may think the same thing at the same time, or you get a phone call when you were just thinking of the person, etc. But right now it's so weak/primitive we have no conscious control over it and it's so subtle we don't know whether it's happening or just our own thoughts.

This wouldn't apply, but I read recently scientists may have found that parents can pass on memories to their offspring. It didn't go into deep detail but it said that would explain why people have phobias, etc, and with animals as well. If not exact memories, fear and responses, personality, etc. But that did make me wonder if that is true if actual memories were passed and if sometimes dreams of places were from that.

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WT is a human rights violator according to the definition of state.gov and USA law - time for us to start putting pressure in lawmakers!

by EndofMysteries in

religious freedom taken from http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper.

quotingdirectly from the article...."it is the responsibility of governments to safeguard universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the right to life and the freedom of conscience, belief, practice, worship, and to explain and change ones faith.........people cannot enjoy religious freedom unless they have both the right to express their beliefs freely and change their religion without facing persecution, violence, or discrimination.... (ask yourself if the wt article i'm quoting next is allowing the freedom to change religion without discrimination and persecution.

so with that being said.....is the wt protecting religious freedom?

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Religious freedom taken from http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper

Quotingdirectly from the article...."it is the responsibility of governments to safeguard universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the right to life and the freedom of conscience, belief, practice, worship, and to explain and change one’s faith.........People cannot enjoy religious freedom unless they have both the right to express their beliefs freely and change their religion without facing persecution, violence, or discrimination.... (Ask yourself if the WT article I'm quoting next is allowing the freedom to change religion without discrimination and persecution.)

So with that being said.....Is the WT protecting religious freedom? In the upcoming Feb 2016 study WT what is being taught if a person's mother leaves the religion?

Feb 2016 "Learn From Loyal Servants" talks about a mother who abandoned/left the WT religion......." Thus, one who is loyal to God could easily feel strong ties of loyalty to a close friend or relative even if that person is practicing what is bad. Especially when someone close to us abandons the truth must we remember that Jehovah always merits our primary loyalty.—ReadMatthew 22:37.

7. How did one sister stay loyal to God in a difficult situation?

7 A conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped. For example, a sister named Anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother. The mother wanted to visit Anne because she felt pained by her isolation from the family. Anne was deeply distressed by the plea and promised to reply by letter. Before writing, she reviewed Bible principles. (1 Cor. 5:11;2 John 9-11) Anne wrote and kindly reminded her mother that she had cut herself off from the family by her wrongdoing and unrepentant attitude. “The only way you can relieve your pain is by returning to Jehovah,” Anne wrote.—Jas. 4:8."

So a person can't talk or associate with their own mother??? Yet look at the LIE on the Jw.org FAQ about family!! http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/ "Those who were baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned......What of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still Jehovah’s Witnesses? The religious ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue."""

I think the only way this religion is able to keep getting away with publishing and teaching to shun parents, children, don't even email grand children, etc, is because everybody assumes they are allowed to and nothing will happen. I guarantee if all ex jw's started putting a lot of pressure in law makers and the right departments even if they can't change the shunning policy it could force WT to stop publishing those instructions of human rights violations.

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New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

by Daniel1555 in

the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

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I think it's time the THOUSANDS of us start sending the latest WT quotes and teachings such as OP's post to news organizations, human rights organizations, your local senators, lawmakers, etc. With thousands complaining of this maybe they'll start to take action and get more publicity. What will WT do when featured on major news networks with their hateful teachings such as the above? lol

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Huge chasm opening in Wyoming Mountains

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/us/wyoming-crack-earth/index.html.

in just a matter of days this has appeared.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/us/wyoming-crack-earth/index.html

In just a matter of days this has appeared.

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The best advice I can offer to those trying to meet people and get a new social circle after leaving JW's.

by EndofMysteries in

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if like me, when you left the kh, your entire social network was gone.

how do you meet people of the opposite sex or make new friends, etc?

clubs, bars?

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If like me, when you left the KH, your ENTIRE social network was gone.

How do you meet people of the opposite sex or make new friends, etc?

Clubs, bars? Not unless just looking for hookups.

I like dancing and had started going to dances, made friends and started getting a social network again. Shortly after I at least had friends and people for when I wanted to go dancing.

I also liked theme parks, etc, but could never get my dancing friends to go, so with that I was alone and nobody to join me. But then I found out about events, facebook groups, etc, and after going to a few I made friends and added more to my social circle as well, now I had people to share that interest of mine. Some liked both that and dancing!

So figure out things you really like to do and look into groups or events for those things, also use social media and look into local groups for those as well. As you do things you like and enjoy you'll meet people who share those interests and you'll already have something in common then!

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Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

by Tenacious in

i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

was it the wts and all its crap?

was it something you read?

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Google didn't make the assertion, you did. Time to back it up if you expect to be taken seriously.
It this point, it simply sounds like you read a shitty paper, took a complete misunderstanding of science, DNA, teleology, computing, logic and forming and argument and ran with it and now are trying to get of out backing up a single thing you claimed.
That about sum it up?

Thanks viv for these excellent replies you've made to your own typical responses.

EVERYBODY SAVE VIV'S RESPONSES HERE! So now the next time she makes claims and you ask her to back them up, or you ask her to validate any of her statements, you can use her own replies to her own typical answers of "use google", "read a book", "i'm not doing the work for you", etc.

Secondly Viv, since you are neither willing nor capable of having an actual debate/discussion, you always expect people to back up what they say but then give replies like, "Nope that's wrong", and when asked to back up why you say it's wrong, your generic replies of, "use google", "I'm not doing the work for you". No desire to answer any of your questions anymore. If all you do is troll, nobody will take you seriously anymore. If you want me to back up what I say, then start backing up what you say. If you'll give BS responses, expect the same from me if any response at all.

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Mobile Hotspot - JWFACTS.COM - Assembly & Conventions

by thedepressedsoul in

here is an idea i tested.

works at both assemblies and conventions.

i have noticed at the last convention and at my last assembly that when i opened up my wifi setting, tons of hotspots came up for people tethering their tablets to their smart phones.

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Maybe do it at KingdomHalls too? The memorial?