You will not see this on the news, or very slight mention of it. Youtube, and other places will show you. Look out for the g 2 0 and g 8 summ it meetings in Tooronto Canada. Notice I'm also posting this a few days prior to that day, so shall see it was not referenced 'after' the fact.
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A sneak peek of the future, June 23, 2010
by EndofMysteries inyou will not see this on the news, or very slight mention of it.
youtube, and other places will show you.
look out for the g 2 0 and g 8 summ it meetings in tooronto canada.
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Letter to the Society
by serenitynow! inso my mom is die-hard jw despite disagreeing with some teachings from the gb.
we were talking today about the generation thing, and she told me the generation teaching was inconsequential.
i told her how as a child i thought it was huge that the end would come before the 1914 people died.
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Nathan Natas "Evidence from BILLIONS of case studies" ?????
I woke up from my 'own' crisis of conscience and a 'personal' study of the bible. I guess I'm not most....? I've had the 'insensitive' elder slap down but that didn't do anything. IT was seeing how others were being treated and the hypocrisy, and finally the scriptures.
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Have you realized bible teaches judgement based on THIS life, no 'free' 2nd chance?
by EndofMysteries inmost of us been taught that those who 'die' before gt, get a free clean slate in resurrection, in essence, they can do anything they want now, but those who are unlucky to be alive during the gt better have it right or too late.
read every scripture speaking about the gt and the resurrection, and i can't find any that support that.
seems all die, and in the day of judgement, are raised up to be judged according to what you did while alive.
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Trueblue - your pretty much correct on what they 'teach' but as for what the bible says.......o and GT is Great Tribulation
(If anybody knows scriptures showing otherwise please add them, I like looking at the the whole picture, but these here are what stand out to me right now...)
We'll start w/ what JW's use on the 1,000 years,,,,,Rev 20:4, 5, 12 - ""And they came to life and ruled as Kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The REST of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6. Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years. ((((So far seems only those ruling as kings and priests during the 1,000 years are alive, don't see anything showing anybody being brought back on the earth...))))
Vs 12, AFTER the thousand years have ended......."And I saw the DEAD, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened, it is the SCROLL OF LIFE. And the dead were JUDGED out of THOSE THINGS WRITTEN in the scrolls ACCORDING TO THEIR DEEDS. vs 15 Whoever was not found written in the scroll of life was hurled into the lake of fire.
There is a lot more to post...too tired, but all scriptures I've read on judging, (those who don't know will show to have my law in their hearts, things don't out of bad conscience is a sin, etc), if you read the bible or not, should know from your inner voice that murder is wrong, so God can still see who is righteous and by looking at their heart, and KNOWING what they know, if they are righteous or not. If if what they are doing or not is due to lack of knowing or whats in their heart.
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Are we approaching the end of the 1,000 year reign or the beginning? THE TRAP!
by EndofMysteries injust looking for opinions and why you think one way or another.
perhaps you've noticed that the bible doesn't end at the beginning of the 1,000 year reign and just have the few verses in rev showing what happens at the end, but it infact goes through the entire thousand year reign in many parts of it.
for example....in rev 20:7-10 it shows how gog of magog surrounds the camp of the holy ones, then fire comes down and destroys them.
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Are we approaching the end of the 1,000 year reign or the beginning? THE TRAP!
by EndofMysteries injust looking for opinions and why you think one way or another.
perhaps you've noticed that the bible doesn't end at the beginning of the 1,000 year reign and just have the few verses in rev showing what happens at the end, but it infact goes through the entire thousand year reign in many parts of it.
for example....in rev 20:7-10 it shows how gog of magog surrounds the camp of the holy ones, then fire comes down and destroys them.
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NATHAN NATAS - You mentioned something I was gonna allow people to figure out for themselves.....you mentioned Adolph Hitler. Now, many wondered HOW and ENTIRE country could have done what the holocaust did. There you have it!
Now....imagine that one a WORLD WIDE SCALE!!! We read in the bible about brothers betraying brothers, fathers betraying sons, sons killing fathers, etc. I think to myself HOW? Well.....at the moment everyone thinks the war of armageddon is by spiritual creatures, if they were convinced and change of belief that as in ancient times, would be a human government backed by God, now you have a worldwide holocaust. Those who are not going to accept, must be eliminated.
I don't wanna say anymore right now. I'll just caution based on this information 'alone', you would not be able to make the right choice or know what the right choice to be made is. Use this as an opportunity to find it and build a faith and trust in God. My hope is this post just made you 'think'. The 'reason' I don't wanna lay it all out, or all I got so far, is because a time will come soon, when you can't turn to anyone for help, and if you don't make your foundation strong and on the REAL ROCK, when the flood comes your house will be destroyed and you'll be naked.
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"TIMELY FOOD" for those who CAN'T Accept the new generation teaching!
by EndofMysteries inmany may have experienced how those of the flock are just brushing aside and not accepting this new spiritual light and proof of the holy spirit working with the gb on the revelation of the generation understanding.
in my hall, elders brushed it aside saying it doesn't matter, they are just trying to clarify and give a broad understanding, no need to worry about it.
god's congregation is united!
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Many may have experienced how those of the flock are just brushing aside and not accepting this new spiritual light and proof of the holy spirit working with the GB on the revelation of the generation understanding. In my hall, elders brushed it aside saying it doesn't matter, they are just trying to clarify and give a broad understanding, no need to worry about it.
God's congregation is UNITED! AND that is not a GB teaching, but from Jehovah and Jesus! (according to the GB)
The 9/15/10 WT is the "Food at the proper time" Let's consider how to apply it to the new generation teaching.....
SHOW HER THE SEPT 15, 2010 WT - Earnestly seek Jehovahs blessings PAR 7,,, "We cannot hope to acquire a
good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore
those whom Jesus has appointed to care for
his belongings. Without the assistance of
“the faithful and discreet slave,” we would
neither understand the full import of what
we read in God’sWord nor know how to apply
it. (Matt. 24:45-47)"So as you can see there, she just doesn't understand it because she's not part of the GB, but she needs to just accept it!
Then Page 13, Par 8 says - The Governing Body publishes
spiritually encouraging literature in many
languages. This spiritual food is based on
God’s Word. Thus, what is taught is not
frommen but fromJehovah.—Isa. 54:13."SO if she rejects that teaching, it's not the GB she's rejecting, it's Jehovah!
Page 15, Par 16 says - "However, downplaying doctrines
leaves people with a shallow faith and certainly
does not unite the divided house of
Christendom." - So she must have 100% faith in the doctrine of the new generation, or she's part of CHRISTENDOM!!!!Page 21, par 1 says - "CHRISTENDOM’S churches have human
leaders, such as the pope of Rome, the
patriarchs and metropolitans of the Eastern
Orthodox churches, and the heads of other
religions. Jehovah’s Witnesses recognize no
human as their leader." - So again, she is refusing to accept some new light from Jehovah! not the GB!Page 23, par 8 - "The anointed
and their other sheep companions
recognize that by following
the lead of the modern-day Governing
Body, they are in fact following
their Leader, Christ."- Jesus miraculously allows us to follow the GB's LEAD, yet without them being the leader. This can only happen in God's true congregation, because a false congregation they would be known as leaders!
Page 26, par 4 - "As Head
of the Christian congregation,
Christ has used this
“faithful and discreet slave”
to administer His Kingdom
interests on earth. He has
provided direction for the
anointed “domestics” and
their “other sheep” companions
by means of a Governing
Body."Page 27, par 10 -
"They recognize, however, that Christ is using
a small group of anointed Christian
men as a Governing Body to lead and direct
his disciples on earth."-----------------------------------
Now the KINGDOM PROCLAIMERS BOOK SAYS THIS.....on Page 210 - "since the visible agency that would be used by Christ IS the faithful and discreet slave (and the FACTS of modern day history already considered show that this 'slave' EMPLOYS the Watch Tower Society as a legal instrument), The Watchtower (not the GB or Jesus) explained that theocratic procedue would REQUIRE that appointments of service be made through this agency!
Infact the entire CHAPTER 15, starting on page 204 is very enlightening. It shows how there used to be elections from the congregations themselves on who would lead, but the WATCHTOWER brougth out how that was not scriptual, it should be holy spirit, and how only they could really do that, and since they are proven as the slave, those who oppose that were infact apostates.
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Letter to the Society
by serenitynow! inso my mom is die-hard jw despite disagreeing with some teachings from the gb.
we were talking today about the generation thing, and she told me the generation teaching was inconsequential.
i told her how as a child i thought it was huge that the end would come before the 1914 people died.
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SHOW HER THE SEPT 15, 2010 WT - Earnestly seek Jehovahs blessings PAR 7,,, "We cannot hope to acquire a
good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore
those whom Jesus has appointed to care for
his belongings. Without the assistance of
“the faithful and discreet slave,” we would
neither understand the full import of what
we read in God’sWord nor know how to apply
it. (Matt. 24:45-47)"So as you can see there, she just doesn't understand it because she's not part of the GB, but she needs to just accept it!
Then Page 13, Par 8 says - The Governing Body publishes
spiritually encouraging literature in many
languages. This spiritual food is based on
God’s Word. Thus, what is taught is not
frommen but fromJehovah.—Isa. 54:13."SO if she rejects that teaching, it's not the GB she's rejecting, it's Jehovah!
Page 15, Par 16 says - "However, downplaying doctrines
leaves people with a shallow faith and certainly
does not unite the divided house of
Christendom." - So she must have 100% faith in the doctrine of the new generation, or she's part of CHRISTENDOM!!!!Page 21, par 1 says - "CHRISTENDOM’S churches have human
leaders, such as the pope of Rome, the
patriarchs and metropolitans of the Eastern
Orthodox churches, and the heads of other
religions. Jehovah’s Witnesses recognize no
human as their leader." - So again, she is refusing to accept some new light from Jehovah! not the GB!Page 23, par 8 - "The anointed
and their other sheep companions
recognize that by following
the lead of the modern-day Governing
Body, they are in fact following
their Leader, Christ."- Jesus miraculously allows us to follow the GB's LEAD, yet without them being the leader. This can only happen in God's true congregation, because a false congregation they would be known as leaders!
Page 26, par 4 - "As Head
of the Christian congregation,
Christ has used this
“faithful and discreet slave”
to administer His Kingdom
interests on earth. He has
provided direction for the
anointed “domestics” and
their “other sheep” companions
by means of a Governing
Body."Page 27, par 10 -
"They recognize, however, that Christ is using
a small group of anointed Christian
men as a Governing Body to lead and direct
his disciples on earth."-----------------------------------
Now the KINGDOM PROCLAIMERS BOOK SAYS THIS.....on Page 210 - "since the visible agency that would be used by Christ IS the faithful and discreet slave (and the FACTS of modern day history already considered show that this 'slave' EMPLOYS the Watch Tower Society as a legal instrument), The Watchtower (not the GB or Jesus) explained that theocratic procedue would REQUIRE that appointments of service be made through this agency!
Infact the entire CHAPTER 15, starting on page 204 is very enlightening. It shows how there used to be elections from the congregations themselves on who would lead, but the WATCHTOWER brougth out how that was not scriptual, it should be holy spirit, and how only they could really do that, and since they are proven as the slave, those who oppose that were infact apostates.
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Are we approaching the end of the 1,000 year reign or the beginning? THE TRAP!
by EndofMysteries injust looking for opinions and why you think one way or another.
perhaps you've noticed that the bible doesn't end at the beginning of the 1,000 year reign and just have the few verses in rev showing what happens at the end, but it infact goes through the entire thousand year reign in many parts of it.
for example....in rev 20:7-10 it shows how gog of magog surrounds the camp of the holy ones, then fire comes down and destroys them.
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Just looking for opinions and why you think one way or another. Perhaps you've noticed that the bible doesn't end at the beginning of the 1,000 year reign and just have the few verses in Rev showing what happens at the end, but it infact goes through the entire thousand year reign in many parts of it.
For example....In Rev 20:7-10 it shows how Gog of Magog surrounds the camp of the holy ones, then fire comes down and destroys them. Then it speaks of those who are raised up from the dead AFTER.
In Ez ENTIRE CHAPTERS of 38 and 39 go in to deep detail about that.
In Daniel, on the King of the North and South, you'll notice that some of the details of Gog and Magog are identical to what the King of the North does. Then Daniel 12 shows those being raised up (whether speaking of end of 1,000 year reign or the '1st' resurrection)
That's just a small tidbit out of TONS throughout bible relating to this.
The upcoming PARADOX......which will hit everyone who doesn't already have their oil... 1 Cor 15:22 - For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each one in his own rank: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing.
You see, what if the upcoming ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT makes the claim that THEY are being lead by Jesus. Putting an end to all human governments and authority into ONE. Then they quote Daniel 4:32 - "And seven times will pass over you, until you know that the MOST HIGH IS RULER of mankind, and that to the one whom HE WANTS TO HE GIVES IT." - then they show that as proof this is God's kingdom rule.
BUT, then in Revelation 13:8 speaks of the Wild Beast, and ALL who worship NOT ONE of them stands written in the scroll of life of the lamb who was slaughtered from the FOUNDING of the world. In 14:9 if anyone receives a mark on his forehead, he will also drink of the anger of God.
YET ANOTHER PARADOX....don't forget bible did NOT have chapters and verses, but just one big letter, and after speaking about a 'lamb best' in Chap 13, then in Chap 14 the lamb on Mount Zion and 144,000 with his name and name of his father on their foreheads.
What does this all mean? 1. Now you know understand why the grooms without oil are asking the others for oil. Why Jesus warns to STAY AWAKE so your not found NAKED when he returns.
2. A one world government is almost complete, many prophecies speaking about that, so aside from the 'always been earthquakes', 'always been wars', this is something new.
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The Existence of God
by alice.in.wonderland infrom the position of the majority of posters here, it goes without question that little next to no truth is taught by the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.
if i may ask, how at this point do you relate to the existence of god?
if i may borrow from this individual: calton, a particle physicist, string theorist, cosmologist and self proclaimed theist, although at times he sounds agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
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Well the real answer lies in that X - FI / T in which T ^ 5BX over the square root of Pi/0 makes it undisputable that therein lies the real answer to the question.
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Have you realized bible teaches judgement based on THIS life, no 'free' 2nd chance?
by EndofMysteries inmost of us been taught that those who 'die' before gt, get a free clean slate in resurrection, in essence, they can do anything they want now, but those who are unlucky to be alive during the gt better have it right or too late.
read every scripture speaking about the gt and the resurrection, and i can't find any that support that.
seems all die, and in the day of judgement, are raised up to be judged according to what you did while alive.
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Most of us been taught that those who 'die' before GT, get a free clean slate in resurrection, in essence, they can do anything they want now, but those who are unlucky to be alive during the GT better have it right or too late.
Read every scripture speaking about the GT and the resurrection, and I can't find any that support that. Seems all die, and in the day of judgement, are raised up to be judged according to what you did while alive. (only possible chance out is faith, messiah, etc)
Also, that it's 'after' the thousand year reign AND people continue to die during the 1,000 year reign.
If any actual scriptural support for resurrection during it, that people don't die during it, and that those who die before GT are raised up and live on earth 1,000 years before judgement, post it here.