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Bible says God confused peoples languages at Babel....is this childish nonsense?

by Witness 007 in

yeah so in genesis we read how people began building a tower which would reach up to jehovah in heaven....must have been damn tall....rather then just stop them, god changes everyones language.....one guys speakin french.....another speakin russian and so on!

can't finish the tower now can they!!

this is not very scientific......does anyone believe this is how languages got started???

EndofMysteries

Just to show how answers may be in the bible.........................Deut 32:7+ - 7 Remember the days of old,
CONSIDER the years back from generation to generation;
Ask your father, and he can tell you;
Your old men, and they can say it to you.
8 When the Most High gave the nations an inheritance,
When he parted the SONS OF ADAM from one another,
He proceeded to fix the boundary of the peoples
With regard for the number of the sons of Israel.
9 For Jehovah’s share is his people;
Jacob is the allotment that he inherits.

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Bible says God confused peoples languages at Babel....is this childish nonsense?

by Witness 007 in

yeah so in genesis we read how people began building a tower which would reach up to jehovah in heaven....must have been damn tall....rather then just stop them, god changes everyones language.....one guys speakin french.....another speakin russian and so on!

can't finish the tower now can they!!

this is not very scientific......does anyone believe this is how languages got started???

EndofMysteries

notverylikely - "There is nothing scriptural to support that."

I beg to differ, Genesis 11:14 They now said: “Come on! Let us build ourselves a city and also a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a celebrated name for ourselves, for FEAR we may BE SCATTERED OVER ALL the surface of THE EARTH.”

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Bible says God confused peoples languages at Babel....is this childish nonsense?

by Witness 007 in

yeah so in genesis we read how people began building a tower which would reach up to jehovah in heaven....must have been damn tall....rather then just stop them, god changes everyones language.....one guys speakin french.....another speakin russian and so on!

can't finish the tower now can they!!

this is not very scientific......does anyone believe this is how languages got started???

EndofMysteries

Thanks Agon -

I feel exactly the same way. I thought at first it was impossible to get those answers. I've changed my mind, I'm getting many to my own questions.

WHY THE TRUTH CAN BE FOUND AT THIS POINT IN TIME (past 10 years)

For the sake of anyone reading......I'd like to mention for the first time ever, only during the past 10 years, is it possible on a broad global scale for the 'truth' to be found. Here is why......only for 300-400 years has the bible been 'safe' to get. Only for about 200 years really available to anyone w/ printing press. Only for 10 years, to learn the truth outside of what you may have been 'told' was the truth.

Prior to internet, computer, if you wanted to look for EVERY instance of a word in the bible, or a book, would have to 'read' the ENTIRE book. And over and over if looking for certain things. IF you wanted to research or compare with other things, you were VERY LIMITED to your library, or bookstore. Also ONLY to what was published. If it was in another language, forget it.

We know have access to everything and anything WORLDWIDE, instead of thousands of books and information, MILLIONS. To search each publication instantly. So ONE HUMAN MIND can now ITSELF learn more in days then perhaps a lifetime prior. Now the truth, imagine it as an elaborate puzzle, some here or there may have got a few pieces, but never the whole thing. Some parts of the truth may need certain pieces of the puzzle to get the true understanding, so if 'one' person couldn't do it, it remained hidden. Right now we can see what many know, what many have come up with their research, those who don't publish books, and we have many ancient documents, dead sea scrolls, egyptian books, babylonian, available in interlinear. Also have translating software too for certain languages.

HOW TO SEEK THE ANSWERS -

With all that being said, I'll say upfront my conscience prevents me from openly saying much right now, especially since a few things may change before I'm finished, may also never be able to say it all. It was the same in the bible, even Jesus (one must be faithful and 'discreet') Here are some things I've learned, and what you can expect in the very near future.

1. First, to even begin to get understanding, you must have an open mind. FEAR and denial will prevent you from getting the truth or accepting it. I prayed for wisdom, understanding, and been doing lots of reading, research, etc. I took James 1:5-7 seriously.

2. Be quick to hear, but SLOW, super SLOW to speak. You may think your seeing some things or more truth in the bible, some which I've had to pray for understanding and no offense to be taken in even entertaining the idea, but at the same time having faith I'm being lead in the right way. You don't want to find out later you may very much regret things you've said and against whom. (Read Jude vs 8-10 and consider who is being used in the example, one day that scripture might make one very cautious)

3. Thoughts won't just pop in your head, gotta read the bible, read it cover to cover. Use HEBREW old testament interlinear atleast for 1 reading. You will find that something you 'think' might be a hidden truth, is actually more clear in interlinear. That small details can majorly change, because the translator didn't know the truth. Reading non canon, dead sea scrolls (at your own risk, can't say whether true or not, they do give you ideas towards unanswered things in the bible)

4. Anyone really taking this seriously, will find that it might have been IMPOSSIBLE for a human to fully teach them. If you read the entire bible, the first time you'll notice things, they stand out, and you do learn. At some point, if one detail or understanding changes, THEN many parts of the bible if you reread will have a much clearer picture and perhaps different meaning. I can't imagine everything I know NOW being dumped on at one point. Just a few small details can be so big and overwhelming need a few days to take it in. Some things which could try to teach or show, would seem crazy, insane, absolutely outrageous, UNTIL you have many more details and overall big picture, THEN it makes sense.

5. The truth is overwhelming, must be taken in doses, can't just take the wholething at once. Which is why you must seek it. Only God knows what you already know, and can guide you on a path of what to learn and at what point.

A FEW THINGS I'VE LEARNED, if any studying wonder if anyone else sees what they may be seeing, as somewhat a confirmation........

1. Our understanding of history, of the Israelites, of God is WAY OFF - Jesus said it like it is when he said in Mark 12:24-27 "Is not this why you are mistaken, your not knowing either the scriptures nor the power of God?"..."He is a God not of the dead, but of the living. You are much mistaken" - And down to today, I say to the general public, you are MUCH mistaken.

2. Idols, even people and true prophets of God can be idolized by people. It is VERY IMPORTANT to figure this out very soon. There may be a message he wants non faithful to see and act on, and a message for his true ones to see.

3. HIDDEN RULER / Religion - many people may choose not to believe anything going on, no God, no higher power, nothing they can't physically see.........well there is something that CAN be SEEN. Since almost the time of recorded history, onwards, and especially today.....a group or religion, worldwide, who identify themselves and their company/organization/government/rulership as involved by their sharing the same hidden symbols. Things get real interesting when these symbols are all biblical, and especially what they are linked to biblically. This is another point in which most humans will go into denial, mental blocks, etc. Again keep an open mind, dont' dismiss the whole package because a few broken pieces in it. One way in hiding the truth, is having mixed with it, a few things to get you to dismiss everything, to think that even entertaining the idea or looking further is crazy when in truth 1 item out of the 5 was bogus, but that 1 item put there make you turn your eye to the others.

4. The REASON for the Great Tribulation, is a last chance, a final test. The scriptures show that test may not be neccessary if one passes it prior to it's occurance AND there is possibly a very good reason to pass it earlier, an open door to a certain future.

5. Many biblical contradictions are intentionally placed there. Don't spend too much time at first, if haven't read the whole bible, but if they will make keep you from reading further, pray and try to find the reason for it.

6. Those who FIND the truth, may be unable to openly disclose it, until a certain point of time. (possibly due to the test and not ruining someones chance, as well as them not becoming idols in the eyes of others, and getting God's anger at them).

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Bible says God confused peoples languages at Babel....is this childish nonsense?

by Witness 007 in

yeah so in genesis we read how people began building a tower which would reach up to jehovah in heaven....must have been damn tall....rather then just stop them, god changes everyones language.....one guys speakin french.....another speakin russian and so on!

can't finish the tower now can they!!

this is not very scientific......does anyone believe this is how languages got started???

EndofMysteries

Darth Frosty -

I saw them as well when I started my true study. The amazing thing.....the 'contradictions' in Genesis are hidden messages. That book is deeper in meaning and symbolism then Revelation in my opinion.

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Bible says God confused peoples languages at Babel....is this childish nonsense?

by Witness 007 in

yeah so in genesis we read how people began building a tower which would reach up to jehovah in heaven....must have been damn tall....rather then just stop them, god changes everyones language.....one guys speakin french.....another speakin russian and so on!

can't finish the tower now can they!!

this is not very scientific......does anyone believe this is how languages got started???

EndofMysteries

Man was told to 'spread throughout the earth'. They tried to stay in that one spot and not move, that is my understanding of why the languages were confused.

ALSO..............this is just going into intuition........We see how ancient civilizations, Egypt, etc, were far advanced in understanding of math and science. God has a time set for things to happen, so could be man was so quickly advancing, he did that as well to knock them back a few thousand years.

Look at us today.........the world's knowledge and skill with technology, combined. We are now entering the point of time which may have happened if the languages were not confused.

The appointed time for all which he wanted to transpire prior to that is just about finished.

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Knowledge of Good and Evil

by cameo-d in

in 1 kings 3:9, solomon asks for wisdom to discern between good and evil.

in verse 10 we are told this request was pleasing to god that solomon had asked for this instead of riches.. wth?

adam and eve got kicked out of the garden for wanting that same knowledge!.

EndofMysteries

Solomon's 'story' seems to have a very deep spiritual meaning, the events may tell the story of a far greater scale of things, beyond human. Pointless to go into detail on unless somebody on the same page w/ me here lol.

Was your post just a remark or are you studying Solomon's life?

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New Book: Jehovah is Jesus! Not Michael.

by Cold Steel in

dr. margaret barkers new book, the great angel: a study of israels second god, argues conclusively that yahweh, the god of israel, was not the father of jesus, but jesus christ himself.

furthermore, the belief that jehovah was gods (elyons) first son a tradition that went far back into israelite history.

it not only was known to the ancient prophets, but to the early christians and even the gnostics.

EndofMysteries

I am not posting my research yet, it's been now about a year, and FINALLY getting the answers and understanding.

I'm also not fully sure, after more reading, if those who get the deep understanding, may be very limited in what they can say. One of the issues at stake here is idolatry. PEOPLE can be make into idols as well, this includes prophets, etc. What's the difference between an idol and the GB? lol actually I'm sure some can make some good jokes on that one.

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New Drama

by brotherdan in

jw
friends

i just can't win!

about a year ago when i began to have doubts i talked to one of my old friends about what i was feeling.

her and her husband actually did a ton of research and left the organization quietly and quickly.

EndofMysteries

brotherdan -

What got me out, was nothing at all to do with leading a debauched life, even today I don't. I didn't go running off into leading the 'worldly lifestyle' lol. Not saying that to appear self righteous, I'm saying this because the truth of the bible itself and what the bible really teaches, is also a reason people leave. TRUE bible reading and study can open ones eyes.

With that being said, here is what I would do if I was in a marriage already.....

I would have family study, REAL bible study. You can start off with doing the Watchtowers..............MARK 9/15/10 to STUDY WITH HER REAL CLOSE.

Now don't do a 'highlight the paragraph' study. Look up EACH SCRIPTURE. Tell her you want to really understand and apply the bible, the watchtower is supposed to just be a 'guide' so let the bible teach you. Then make sure to point out and question HER since your doing this together and to 'research together' when scriptures appear to not have 'anything' to do with the paragraph.

Also when reading the scriptures, look at them in 'context'. If you a paragraph makes a statement, and post a scripture which says the sentance, then say, "La de freakin dah!!!......how is that put there when that chapter and set of surrounding verses is speaking about something completely unrelated???"

Everything just automatically trusts and 'assumes' everything is right. As recorded I think in James or Hebrews, "Keep Checking the inspired utterances".

With true study, the fog can't last that long.

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2010 district convention badge

by thundarr in

jw
friends

hi all.

do anyone a scan of the badge card.

i move and it convention time ths weekend an need to replace my family card before friday.

EndofMysteries

Thundarr - I only read to the 3rd page, but you made mention of the ex jw's being judgemental, and bashing.

Well, as you said, how would you feel if people made those assumptions. Yet, that's exactly what "We" (As in JW's) are taught, that anyone who is not a JW, or who leaves JW org, is leaving God. As I reflect, we have been very hypocritical, and one of biggest adjustments is completely changing and removing the 'judgemental' attitude we are taught.

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New Book: Jehovah is Jesus! Not Michael.

by Cold Steel in

dr. margaret barkers new book, the great angel: a study of israels second god, argues conclusively that yahweh, the god of israel, was not the father of jesus, but jesus christ himself.

furthermore, the belief that jehovah was gods (elyons) first son a tradition that went far back into israelite history.

it not only was known to the ancient prophets, but to the early christians and even the gnostics.

EndofMysteries

Cold Steel - just a suggestion.....(not sure if your belief in Jesus/Jehovah as the same entity is just because you read something from someone else in which that made sense to you, or you through your own personal study, were headed that way and saw someone else confirming your thoughts. If it was the 2nd, you had been studying it on your own, don't stop, that's the tip of the iceberg. There are many further adjustments and much more understanding to be had if you continue. (If you just read someone elses ideas and thought it makes more sense....no suggestions then lol)