Posts by oppostate

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Special assembly Belgium

by InquiryMan in

special assembly was attended by 30,000 and 173 was baptized.. see video-footage given by english language belgian web site.. (interestingly, the press spokesman was a sister).. http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english.

oppostate

COH: I bet 90% of those were born ins.

Yes, and sadly of quite a young age most likely.

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Regional Conventiona Stockholm

by InquiryMan in

close to 400 got baptized at the regional convention in stockholm attended by more than 50,000 witnesses from norway, sweden, denmark, iceland as well as greenland and faroe islands..

oppostate

As a publisher in full-on mind-controlled JW-drone mode I would have been overjoyed over hearing of such a Convention. And hundreds baptized, what happifying news indeed!

Now, awake to the wiles and shenanigans of the WT, I feel so sorry for the folks who had to put up with mind-numbing, exhaustingly pointless sessions filled with pathetic, narcissistic outlines--delivered by less than competent speakers--who regurgitate the same old dribble, and recycled doctrinal vomit hour after excruciating hour for several days!

There will be those--it's consoling to think--who will be able to escape the cult in the next year. At least that's something to look forwards to with some anticipation.

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How do you feel about exJW's who resist our efforts to effect change?

by nicolaou in

i've met a few.

i'm not talking about the jw who, whether df'd or not, falls off the radar and just gets on with living a normal life - good luck to them and may there be many more!.

i mean the former jehovah's witness who is now enjoying all the benefits of a cult free life thanks to the efforts of many bloggers, posters and activists, but is critical of the efforts of someone close them to free more jws.

oppostate

I am putting a book together to help fence sitters and even JWs (not that they'll read it).

You'd be surprised, Punk. I think there's a lot of traumatized ex-JW's and still-ins who feel trapped that would sincerely appreciate help to overcome the sense of hurt and disappointment the WT religion left them/us with.

It's like dealing with PTSD and having your mind fighting to heal the mental and emotional damage the WT inflicts.

Personally, I've downloaded into the Kindle just about any book exposing the WT that is available at Amazon.com, so I think you will find enough of an audience that is willing to read what you have to say about the JW religion.

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Why using Jehovah for God's name is as good as using Yahweh

by oppostate in

in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.

i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.

you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.

oppostate

Freeminds example of arguing over spiderman is apt, if only you care to think about it.

Right _Morpheus, and Judas Priest too.

No room for Spiderman trolling in this thread, sorry, go start your own topic. Maybe your Thor can weigh in on Scandinavian troll sagas and the veracity of comic heroes. Or Goofy can rebel yell into the discussion?!

If you have so little regard for the OP and it's relevance in this forum then why not just ignore the discussion and concentrate on taking part in topics you find more relevant? Oh! I almost forgot, you're just interested in trolling and making a nuisance of yourself. Right!

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What Can Circuit Overseers Who Come To Know The Truth About The Truth Do To Cripple The Delusional Watchtower Corporation?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

well it is only natural to assume that a modest number of cos&wives, bethelites, and other people are becoming enlightened shall we say as to the real sinister nature of these sociopaths called the faithful and discreet governing body slave bull shit artist.. so what besides making secret documents public can these do to get some type of satisfactional revenge for being used by them in such a cruel way or like a smuck who they don't even give one shit about.

what can these ladies and men do?

how can they get some form of pay back for all the years they wasted slaving for these no good greedy bastards called the governing fucking body?

oppostate

It would be interesting if say for example Lett got tired of being told his idiosyncrasies are too distracting and he was put on the back burner. He resents that slap on the face and decides to lash back at the other six. A turf war ensues and he ends up leaving Bethel. The now GB-6 want him totally out of the picture, he starts airing dirty laundry, and they move to silence him into oblivion by attempting to DF him for unbecoming brazen conduct. He write a tell-all book.

Given the amount of negative "press" he's been given in ex-JW forums do you think he'd feel welcome enough to spew out the GB's secrets?

Could the ex-JW community accept him as one of their own?

Would he be able to measure up to the likes of Ray F. and his CoC and ISoCF books?

It would be interesting wouldn't it?

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Just found out my older brother has passed away

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

i have just found out that my brother (who was one of a bunch that shared this login) has died.. he and his wife were living in another country where they once pioneered.

i didn't see him that often.. such an empty feeling.....

oppostate

I'm sorry to hear of the loss of your brother.

My condolences and heartfelt sympathy for you and yours, Stuck.

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What Can Circuit Overseers Who Come To Know The Truth About The Truth Do To Cripple The Delusional Watchtower Corporation?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

well it is only natural to assume that a modest number of cos&wives, bethelites, and other people are becoming enlightened shall we say as to the real sinister nature of these sociopaths called the faithful and discreet governing body slave bull shit artist.. so what besides making secret documents public can these do to get some type of satisfactional revenge for being used by them in such a cruel way or like a smuck who they don't even give one shit about.

what can these ladies and men do?

how can they get some form of pay back for all the years they wasted slaving for these no good greedy bastards called the governing fucking body?

oppostate

Another thought if the Watchtower Corporation is in some type of litigation that involve COs and they fire them or mistreatment in anyway because of such litigation that that is illegal and may force financial compensated in a court of law?

You can be sure that before taking any action that may even hint at legal trouble the WT lawyers will be involved in designing an action plan to minimize negative outcomes.

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Why using Jehovah for God's name is as good as using Yahweh

by oppostate in

in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.

i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.

you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.

oppostate

@freemindface

You're putting it way too simplistically and with such obvious uncaring and dismissive fashion that it seems hardly worth it to argue with you.

But I'm going to say that the OP dealt with the opinionated poo-pooing of Raymundus Martin transliterating the Divine Name as IEHOVA and how our English Jehovah is just as good a transliteration for the tetragrammaton as Yahweh is, and perhaps even better due to the evidence presented by some researchers who are considered experts in this topic.

It's just so sad that when a topic dealing with a doctrinal point of Jehovah's Witnesses fundamental beliefs gets brought up some here make idiotic trolling remarks, proving only how unacquainted with scholarly research you seem.

The Middle East isn't in turmoil because we argue over the pronunciation of the Divine Name. It is in turmoil because bigots refuse to act in a civilized manner and use words to reason rather than guns to inflict harm. That is the root of the turmoil there.

My assertion in the OP stands. And if you wish to flap your cojones around, kindly do so in your own thread--Go title it "Freemindfade's opinion of deities and how he flaunts his swollen cojones to the heavens." If you will.

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Why using Jehovah for God's name is as good as using Yahweh

by oppostate in

in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.

i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.

you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.

oppostate

@CalebInFloroda,

I told you I'm not trying to offend you. And if you are offended then you find offense where there isn't any meant.

You are nit picking parts of what I said without reference to others. How much percentage of the Jewish population in Israel really sing psalms in worship?

Close to about half the population consider themselves secular/non-religious Jews. Another quarter consider themselves hardly religious, and the ones that claim to be orthodox are less than a tenth of the population. These fanatical fundamentalists act like bullies. And they should be opposed--They wield too much influence as it is.

I've not yet had a chance to visit the Wailing Wall nor any of the Holy Sites, it is something I'd like to do. I've seen how Ladinos in Turkey hide what they are, out of necessity. I've been to Germany and seen the remains of awful acts of inhumane cruelty. I've learned of the gross abuses the Catholic Inquisition perpetrated on the Jewish population who were forced into baptism in my very own home country. It sickens me such things were done, it is a testimony to the cruelty of man towards his fellow man.

I am attracted to the teaching of a certain Jew from Nazareth, who said to love your enemies and that blessed are the peacemakers. This in no way condones violence against anyone, I don't believe in looking the other way in the face of evil. Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple for a reason, these lucre-loving profit-mongers disrespected what the Temple stood for. I believe that there's a time for everything under Heaven. So be it.

Pharisee based Rabbinical Judaism doesn't take all their doctrine from the Tanakh, you are correct, and I stated such above in mentioning the tradition of Talmud loving students of Scripture. But that's not for me, sorry, and it seems it isn't for 3/4 of the Jewish population in the land of Israel. Are you declaring them non-Jews? What? Because they might have been at Woodstock and weren't hippies?

Give me a break Caleb! If the Tanakh wasn't settled until the first century, Torah certainly was, and even in the time of Josiah there was an attempt to fully establish the Law over the land.

I don't doubt you have many Ashkenazi friends who are not bigots. You remind me of WASPs who say "I have black friends!" And so what. None of that detracts from the factual point I made about the mistreatment of Jewish minorities among Israelis, and especially so by the fanatically orthodox. Why was Yitzak Rabin, may he rest in peace, killed? Who killed him? It wasn't a Palestinian, Caleb, and it wasn't a secular/non-religious Jew. Was it? Lo, no it was not.

Unlike you I do judge what Jewish fundamentalist fanatics do, and I think it's deplorable. It's inhuman, it is wrong! They are bullies and they should be opposed.

Despite what you might say, I still maintain I meant no offense and if you do take offense then you are blind to the fact that my gripe is with fanatics who impose their judgements on others, these folks deserve to be judged with the same measuring stick they whip their fellows. May God be their judge and not I, He well knows I have little patience for bullies.

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What Can Circuit Overseers Who Come To Know The Truth About The Truth Do To Cripple The Delusional Watchtower Corporation?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

well it is only natural to assume that a modest number of cos&wives, bethelites, and other people are becoming enlightened shall we say as to the real sinister nature of these sociopaths called the faithful and discreet governing body slave bull shit artist.. so what besides making secret documents public can these do to get some type of satisfactional revenge for being used by them in such a cruel way or like a smuck who they don't even give one shit about.

what can these ladies and men do?

how can they get some form of pay back for all the years they wasted slaving for these no good greedy bastards called the governing fucking body?

oppostate

Although I wish so much it were so, I doubt any awakened CO & COW would dare go against the Momma WT.

There may be legal agreements one enters when accepting the position of CO, I don't know. But if other cultish religions are anything of an example I don't see ex-Scientologists or ex-Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong) or ex-Mormons bringing their religious headquarters to task before a judge on the grounds that they were duped by sociopathic charlatans.

Unless the WT hierarchy cracks down even more to the point of blatantly and physically harming these folks, all the CO's if awakened are just going to keep mum. Why? That's a good question, I think the answer lies in no longer having anything else to lose. Something like what happened to Ray Franz, Ed Dunlap, Jim Penton, Ron Frye etc. may motivate a CO to lash out and expose the WT for what it is. (Ron F. was a CO himself, and Ray F. became DO and a Governing Body member too, so there's those who did break the silence).

I think the WT is very careful these days and their legal team is quite savvy at forseeing trouble and scurrying to quench anything, even doctrines, that may spell trouble for the JW religion's Headquarters.

With so many DO's being deposed, and CO's put out to pasture in retirement, you would think that some of them, at least a few, are disgruntled enough to break the silence, but this doesn't seem to be happening and the WT seems quite able to avoid such a snafu scenario these days.