JakeM, I fully agree about filing against the elders individually, the WT wouldn't raise a finger on their behalf in that situation, that's pretty much guaranteed.
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My sister is being harassed by the elders
by opusdei1972 insometime ago i wrote here in this forum about the case of my sister, who decided to stop attending the meetings because she realised that the watchtower society is an evil organization.
this happened more than one year ago.
i am not living in the same country of my sister, so i learn about her case when she calls me or when she write me through whatsapp.
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GB Not Providing Food-Helpers Write Articles
by TakeOffTheCrown inwhy does the governing body depend on the helpers to write watchtower articles and the information in other publications?
why does the governing body not write these articles themselves?
they depend on the helpers to compose/write this information.
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These answers were given “under oath”, so unless both men committed perjury, it must be assumed that their claims of the Watchtower’s information coming directly from Jehovah God were at least quite sincere.
Quite sincere but full of $h!t. Sincere because they wanted to protect the WT at all costs. Full of it because they fully supported Rutherford and all his crazy nonsense that they couldn't wait for the time he was gone to get rid of all of it and never republish a single book of his.
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So I clicked on the Mormon come-on advertisement to "Come chat about Jesus Christ"
by oppostate inso i clicked on the mormon come-on advertisement on the top, the right side and the bottom of the jwd page that invited me to "come chat about jesus christ".. i started a chat with brook and taiza and asked them why the subtitle of the book of mormon changed from "another gospel of jesus christ" to "another testament of jesus christ".. brooke told me it hadn't so i googled it and told them there's plenty of websites that refer to it that way and i had a very old copy with that subtitle on it.. so taiza says it's probably a copy by some break off group and not from them.. i told her the inside said from the "lds".
so they left the chat.. so i figured maybe there's a technical glitch and i shouldn't assume they just dropped me.. so i log on again and give my last name instead of my first name this time.. and hellen and catherine log into the channel.. i ask them again about the title change and they drop off the chat.. so i figured twice is very unlikely that they had a glitch, and i'm pretty sure they dropped me because they didn't like my question.. one more time, i'll give them one more try.. so i log on again, with my middle name this time.. brooke and jayne log on.. i type that i'd been chatting previously with brooke.. she types back that she's a different brooke.. so jayne starts asking if i read the book of mormon.. i say yes and i have a question about it.. so i ask my question about the "another gospel" to 'another testament" change.. she says that she does not recall ever hearing about that and what do i like about the book of mormon.. i then ask her about the "gospel" paul wrote about in corinthians.. she says it's the same as in the book of mormon.. i ask back that if the gospel is the "same" why call it another???
and i quote her galatians 1:8.. she says that it does not apply to the book of mormon since it is not different from the bible so therefore, it is not another good news.. but that is the subtitle of the book isn't it.. so she sends me a link to a two minute video by the lds telling of the finding of the tablets and the transcription from reformed egyptian to english by joseph smith.. i started questioning whether reformed egyptian was a real language.
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So I clicked on the Mormon come-on advertisement on the top, the right side and the bottom of the JWD page that invited me to "Come chat about Jesus Christ".
I started a chat with Brook and Taiza and asked them why the subtitle of the book of Mormon changed from "Another Gospel of Jesus Christ" to "Another Testament of Jesus Christ".
Brooke told me it hadn't so I googled it and told them there's plenty of websites that refer to it that way and I had a very old copy with that subtitle on it.
So Taiza says it's probably a copy by some break off group and not from them.
I told her the inside said from the "LDS"
So they left the chat.
So I figured maybe there's a technical glitch and I shouldn't assume they just dropped me.
So I log on again and give my last name instead of my first name this time.
And Hellen and Catherine log into the channel.
I ask them again about the title change and they drop off the chat.
So I figured twice is very unlikely that they had a glitch, and I'm pretty sure they dropped me because they didn't like my question.
One more time, I'll give them one more try.
So I log on again, with my middle name this time.
Brooke and Jayne log on.
I type that I'd been chatting previously with Brooke.
She types back that she's a different Brooke.
So Jayne starts asking if I read the Book of Mormon.
I say yes and I have a question about it.
So I ask my question about the "another gospel" to 'another testament" change.
She says that she does not recall ever hearing about that and what do I like about the Book of Mormon.
I then ask her about the "gospel" Paul wrote about in Corinthians.
She says it's the same as in the Book of Mormon.
I ask back that if the gospel is the "same" why call it another??? And I quote her Galatians 1:8.
She says that it does not apply to the book of Mormon since it is not different from the Bible so therefore, it is not another good news.
But that is the subtitle of the book isn't it.
So she sends me a link to a two minute video by the LDS telling of the finding of the tablets and the transcription from reformed Egyptian to English by Joseph Smith.
I started questioning whether reformed Egyptian was a real language. So she sent me a link to an article the LDS has published on this, very shady reasonings there.
So we had a nice chat about there being hardly any evidence about this except Mark Hoffman's forgeries which the LDS Church was very convinced were original ancient documents.
She sent me another link to an article about what the LDS has to say about the forgeries.
It seemed whatever I asked they already did have some canned response, and if I objected to anything too strongly they'd cut the chat. So it was slow treading and gentle, but I think I brought up some questions that would put anyone who looks into the historical facts with a reasoning mind into high alert that there's something wrong there.
I sooooooo, wish that the WT would put something like a chat on their website, I'd be there in a second, bringing up questions that made me wake up. I guess that's why they don't have one yet, until that is, they continue copying the Mormons and assemble a host of canned responses to the hard questions. And if all else fails they'll just dump you like an "apostate" from the chat.
One thing good that came out of this. I know that everytime I click on one of those annoying Mormon ads in this web site Simon gets some money from them (and it helps keep JWD going :-)
How about you, would you jump on a chat with JW's or Mormons to try awakening some of them?
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Hello Everyone
by MarieK ini hope everyone is having a good saturday.
i've visited this many times in the past month or so, joined yesterday and finally got the nerve to post!
needless to say, i'm super nervous, being new to this whole experience.
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Welcome to JWD, MarieK!
And thanks for writing about your experience. It's an echo of so many here who've gone through similar experiences in the control of the JW religion.
I'm glad you've done a lot of research and know a lot already about the WT's lies and half-truths they use to control publishers.
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My sister is being harassed by the elders
by opusdei1972 insometime ago i wrote here in this forum about the case of my sister, who decided to stop attending the meetings because she realised that the watchtower society is an evil organization.
this happened more than one year ago.
i am not living in the same country of my sister, so i learn about her case when she calls me or when she write me through whatsapp.
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I like the idea about she just wants to attend another most supportive congregation. Done all the time here in states.
I would not answer their calls nor open the door so they showed up to my place of work, and waited until I was headed to my car to tell me they had scheduled a Judicial Committee for apostasy. I very plainly told them not to show up at my place of work for me.
They told me the JC was scheduled and if I didn't appear they would proceed without me.
So first thing I did was write an email to the COBE in the congregation and told him that I was withdrawing membership from that congregation. Legally you can cancel your membership in any organization religious or not (except the mob, maybe, no legality there).
Next I wrote a letter.
I told them in the PDF letter I attached to an email that I sent to all the BOE's email addresses that I felt some of them were harassing me and I did not consider myself any longer a member of that congregation so if they continued their harassment I would seek legal means to stop what I considered abuse and retaliatory behavior.
I told them I was withdrawing membership in that particular congregation but this in NO way meant I was disassociating myself and reserved the right to seek another congregation more welcoming than they were.
It's been over a year now that I haven't sought to join another congregation and I like it that way, once in a while I listen in on the phone to the meetings, and I've gone to assemblies and the Memorial, but I'm liking my fade and taking it slowly for my wife's sake, it's been traumatic for her, she's still quite loyal to the WT.
The JC was never held. And I'm sure they checked with Momma WT's legal department who most likely told them to stop it and they were on their own if they persisted and it became a legal matter.
You've got to hit them hard or they'll feel free and mighty to continue the mental and emotional abuse. I say knee them in their congregational gonads! They'll get the message to leave you alone.
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My sister is being harassed by the elders
by opusdei1972 insometime ago i wrote here in this forum about the case of my sister, who decided to stop attending the meetings because she realised that the watchtower society is an evil organization.
this happened more than one year ago.
i am not living in the same country of my sister, so i learn about her case when she calls me or when she write me through whatsapp.
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oppostate
They can only invite her because they consider her part of their congregation.
Have her write a letter to the body of elders saying she withdraws her membership in that congregation because of the un-Christian attitude and harassment (abuso mental y emocional molestandole la vida) of the elders and some publishers.
She is totally disgusted by their screaming at her in public and in hearing distance of her neighbors. Also have her write she never wants them to contact her ever again.
Make it clear in the letter she is not disassociating and reserves her right to look for another congregation she will feel more comfortable and can provide her with spiritual help.
Since she does not "belong" to them as a congregant she is not under their care. She should mention she is willing to take them to court for harassment if they contact her again or talk about her to others and very importantly she will then inform the JW World Headquarters, the CO and the local Branch about their repeated harassment.
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New grandson!
by mimimimi inour youngest son and his wife (matt and star) welcomed a baby boy yesterday at 7:04 p.m. ivan tomas, 7 lbs.
11 oz., 20 1/4" long.
he is their second child.
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Metro-pioneers
by oppostate infound this video on youtube about metro-pioneers.. watch out!
tight pants exiting the kh!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldb0oqpcupe.
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How many young folks will be taken aside and spoken to about their trendy suits, whispered about by the older sisters, past over for "privileges" and stopped from "reaching out" because they dared wear tailored, well fitting suits instead of the ones on sale, off the rack at JCPenny?
How many will be made to feel "not good enough" due to Anthony Morris "the 3rd's" hardly appropriate comments to a worldwide audience?
Is there any way to be truly happy as a young person while being in this cult?
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JCPenney removes a billboard after.....
by Iamallcool injcpenney removes a billboard after complaints that the tea kettle featured resembled adolf hitler.
does it look like hitler to you?
does it offend you?
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is the teapot throwing its spout up and about to shout "sieg heil" ?
I know, right! I think it's a Satanic conspiracy between tea totteling neo-nazis and JCPenny's!
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What started me on the path to waking up about the lies the WT teaches?
by oppostate init was a simple question: isn't jesus my "mediator" if i put faith in him like the scriptures say?
the research to that answer, from the w79 4/1 p. 31, was mind blowing.
how dare they deny me a belief firmly stated in the scriptures?
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It was a simple question: Isn't Jesus my "mediator" if I put faith in him like the Scriptures say? The research to that answer, from the w79 4/1 p. 31, was mind blowing. How dare they deny me a belief firmly stated in the Scriptures? And that's what started me questioning everything and reading CoC and ISoCF, after that the scales were gone from my eyes for good.
What research helped you see the WT for the false prophet it really is?
Was it researching 607BC like Carl Olof Jonsson?
Or was it that Jesus couldn't have been crucified on a stake but on a cross due to the mark of the "nails"?
What research helped you to awaken?
