They sadly don't love you they love your nice sunny home with all that potential holiday accommodation for free. Don't respond to the emails. What bad manners they could at least have sent a few general friendly ones to find out how you were doing before firing the free holiday email across your mail box.
Posts by nugget
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15JW's suddenly love me(!) !!!
by highdose inas many of you know, when i left the borg i did the perfect fade by emigrating half way accorss the globe.
i have never given out my new address ( the overseass postal service... totaly crap, what can you do huh;) i have also changed my email account too and my phone number.
therefore i have effectively disapeared!
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Separating saucer section...General Order 14. [Borg cubes inbound!--Part II]
by sd-7 incaptain code named sd-7.
self-destruct code 0-0-0-alpha-gamma-1.
this will be my final entry on jehovahs-witness.net.
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nugget
SD7 you have received much good advice and I hope you find it helpful. From your post one thing strikes me is that your state of mind is very confused and depressed at present. If you wife loves you then she may be genuinely concerned at the way you are unravelling before her. She will see the way you are beating yourself up over everything and she would want it to stop. In the society when in doubt you go for the fall back option, trust in Jehovah, trust in the elders, confess and be made clean.
I would be open with her that she is important to you but this situation is difficult for you to deal with. I would strongly suggest counselling with someone who understands cults and the effects on people psychologically. They will help you to find a strategy and a way of coping. This is neutral ground where you can get some perspective on the situation without problems coming at you from all directions. If counselling is too costly see if there are any support groups, just talking is helpful. You must decide what is best for you and your family and no one here will judge you for it. Don't act in haste, don't hate yourself truth is not always pretty but it is the truth.
You didn't make the wtbts a lie they did.
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A Question About "Insecure" People
by minimus ini want to tell you what truly irritates me.
when i see a person come off as being extremely confident and punky, and someone else will say, "he/she is like that because they are really insecure".....yeah, right!.
if someone projects an image of supreme confidence, always tells everyone else why they're supremely right, and puts down others and always exalts themselves, would you believe that their behavior is because of their being "insecure"??
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nugget
Some people dress in extreme fashion using it as a costume or prop to give them confidence so they could be classed as insecure. Others want to make a statement about who they are and don't really care what anyone else thinks.
If everyone who dresses for attention was insecure then every fashion designer and fashion student on the planet would be a shy retiring violet. I went to art college so so I know for a fact that that isn't true.
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Does the organization still police people when it comes to saving seats at conventions?
by Magwitch inthis was a huge source of contention between me and my ex.
my parents were in the same district as us; i always thought it would be nice to sit together especially when i had two daughters in one year.
my ex rufused to sit with my parents if they saved us seats and he would never allow me to save two seats for them.
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nugget
The policy is that you can only save seats for people in your immediate car group. So if you are not travelling together you should not save seats. This being said brothers who live near the stadium still arrive early and save all the end seats in the best places and no one stops them. If you travel in you have to leave at stupid o'clock to be sure you can all sit together.
This year there is no car parking so if going we should travel by coach. That is not going to happen we've already decided we have better stuff to do and torturing my children over a weekend isn't one of them.
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MM - You are a woman of impeccable taste - yeah i'll happily guzzle down a couple of bottles of red on the right occasion.
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Is regularly texting/phoning someone (not your partner) cheating?
by sacdfan inhello - can i ask you all for your opinions?.
if your partner (husband/wife, gf/bf etc) was phoning and texting someone approx 20 times per day,would you find it unacceptable?
for example, if your wife was texting/phoning another brother (also married) 20 to 30 times a day, would you get suspicious?
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nugget
You say approximately 20 times per day so this is happening on more than one occasion.
She says it is Field Service related but I am streatched to think what would require that level of communication. Times are preset and meeting locations pre arranged. Before the age of texting you turned up discussed where you were going and what return visits you were going on at the venue.
I would ask her if the calls are to do with congregation business would she object to you seeing them to get an idea of what she does on field service.
She shouldn't object. If the level of texting is bothering you then tell her use the feelings card rather than be accusing. Just say "I feel uncomfortable with the amount of time you spend texting this brother. I wonder how his wife feels about this?"
It may be innocent but as a witness she is told she has to respect her spouses feelings and engaging in activities that would arouse jealousy are unacceptable. Using text messages to flirt with someone of the opposite sex is also unacceptable.
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Conventions/Assemblies in England
by ScottyRex indoes anyone remember haysbridge, crystal palace, twickenham, dorking from the 80's/90's.........so many memories there.
the 5p lunch vouchers, the aroma of bacon rolls and hot doughnuts at twickenham, the smell of coffee as 50,000 odd opened their thermos flasks at lunchtime.
walking around endless laps of the perimeter of the stadium at break times, watching the airplanes flying low over twickenham stadium en route to heathrow.. cinema style seats at dorking assembly hall, the baptismal pool built into the stage, flapping my hands in the water and getting told off.
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Ohhh Yes!!! I helped out when they were building Hayesbridge in 1985. Many fond memories of Dorking as a lad. I was on the sounbd team at Twickers, spent most of my time checking speakers in the tents in the car park. I used to get back home with black feet from all the charcoal stuff they had on that car park. Never went to crystal palace.
My favourite all time venue was the "Little Canada" holiday camp at Wooton on the Isle of wight, in the mid 70's. Us kids would sometimes bunk sessions to play around the site.
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Did you loathe going in field service, if so why?
by HappyGuy ini always felt like i was not a "spiritual" person because i loathed going in field service.
i'm not even sure why i loathed it.
i am very outgoing and can talk to anyone, anytime, about anything.
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I worked in marketing and could see that as a way of attracting customers it was a dud. It was obvious that the householder didn't want us there. One territory where I worked no one ever got more than the first sylable out. "Go.." "He..." etc. It was almost as if the doors were on elastic. As a youngster I hated calling on school friends it made me so nervous. As a parent I tried to ensure that if my children were out with me we would be working territory outside their school catchment area. As an elders wife I was rubbish.
It is a control mechanism for believers. Keeping people subserviant and busy on useless activity. Knowing that I hate it even more.
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A Rhyme to all the Great Posters on JWN
by cantleave inpoetry isn't really my thing but i hope you can all relate!.
oppressive, repressive, a burden, a guilt,.
a childhood of dreams a new world to be built,.
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nugget
Lovely poem, this is obviously your thing. Keep up the good work.
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Help me get my mom out!!!!
by Aeiouy inyou didn't make yourself that way and you weren't "just born" that way.
your personality will be changed by the world, there is no getting around it.
i have loved you since before you were born.
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nugget
Your Mum is playing the emotional blackmail cards in spades. This is not untypical and is to be expected. I would start by responding to the emotional issues.
Assure her that as your mother she is important to you and her views are always treated with respect. Tell her that she will never be thrown away by you since something as precious as a mother can never be treated in this way. Your love for her is unconditional and this will never change. This would be tantamount to shunning and it is unkind and unloving and you would never do it.
Remind her that having had the experiences you have had in the organisation it would need to be something more than physical attraction that would make you move away from it. You had committed more than most to the organisation so in effect had more than most to lose. Tell her that this choice was made not through a lack of Bible Study but because of it. You have conducted diligent research and looked into all things with a humble and prayerful attitude.
Ask her to prove the unprovable and get her to think. Don't go in with all guns blazing just with one point at a time. Remember the old door to door training, find common ground, leading questions and baby steps. What works for a cult can work for you.
1914 and relationship to 607, Who is Jesus the Mediator for (as already suggested), rise of the Governing body, where key doctrines come from etc.
Get her to think how the cult has affected her life. What other choices might she have made? Remind her of many who gave up everything for the organisation but who still died without seeing a reward. If they had known this in the beginning what might they have done differently? What choices might she have made for you?
This will require work on your part and remember always address the emotional issues first, mothers need to know they are loved.