Posts by nugget

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To help my cousin..maybe if you used to be an elder..

by hereiam! in

i have a cousin who has been away from the meetings 5 years.

she was baptized only a year before becoming "inactive" and moved to another state.

then after some time she moved back to the area all the family is from, but wouldn't say a word of anything having to do with the religion.

nugget

I know in recent years the organisation has really clamped down on marrying outside the cult, this is the only reproach and generally would be the subject of a marking talk about loyalty.

If they are sleeping separately then they cannot be done for immorality and are following a higher standard in their courtship than many couples including some in the organisation. So the only thing they can get her for is marrying outside the org. I don't know if this is a Df'ing offence.

She needs to establish what she wants. As an adult she isn't answerable to these men and doesn't have to meet with them unless she feels it would be of some benefit.

I'm sending this BTTT in case any elders and ex elders can help with the actual rules.

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Making the leap - lurker to member - Hello!

by Hadit in

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ive been lurking here for the past couple of months since i started researching the organization.

i dont have many people to talk to and its been a saving grace to read your posts.. i dont really know where to start so here i go.

its been a long journey getting here and it looks as if i still have a long ways to go to get somewhere healthy, stable and strong.

nugget

Welcome to the board. It has been so helpful to us in our move away from the organisation. It is always great to get a new point of view. I'm studying psychology too but more relating to child development. Education is a wonderful thing.

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Jehovah and the Munchausen Syndrome

by Terry in

what is munchausen by proxy syndrome?.

one of the most harmful forms of child abuse, munchausen by proxy syndrome was named after baron von munchausen, an eighteenth-century german dignitary known for telling outlandish stories.

a parent will induce illness or injury in their own child and then take the victim in to the hospital to be seen as the heroic savior.. typically, the perpetrator feels satisfied when he or she has the attention and sympathy of doctors, nurses, and others who come into contact with him or her and the child.. because the parent or caregiver appears to be so caring and attentive, often no one suspects any wrongdoing.. .

nugget

Terry you are assuming the chronology of the JW religon is the reflection of the life experience of Adam and Eve. That is an assumption. We do not know if they had been alive for many years at the point when they sinned. Adam had been tasked to name the animals so this would have been an extensive task on it's own. We also do not know what mistakes they may have made up to this point. If you believe in a loving God he would not feel it necessary to catalogue every time they made an error that could be considered part of the learning process.

You are also assuming this was a mistake for which they were condemned. I would argue that it was not a mistake or accident but a deliberate choice that Adam made. The Bible supports this view in the way Adam not Eve is spoken of as the person condemning all to sin. If all humans were condemned due to a mistake or error then it would be Eve who was the originator of death since the Bible and paradise lost book 9 refer to the fact she was deceived and therefore made a mistake.

I do not suggest that I agree with the viewpoint that billions suffering is a great way to rectify this selfish choice by an ancestor but I do feel that you are placing certain ideas on the Adam and Eve story that may not be supported by the text.

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How many meetings did you actually enjoy?

by nugget in

i was talking to my husband and we were trying to work out how many meetings we actually came away from feeling enthused or excited by what we had heard.

not including pre and post meeting association how many wow moments can you recall?.

we had to conclude that most of the time in the organisation the meeting was something you endured.

nugget

Is being content enough? I think there is a measure of truth in 5th generations statement. If you are in from birth this is all you know so you can feel a measure of contentment.

I think the word that best describes my experience is temporary cessassion of guilt. Doing the right thing but not enjoying it.

LLBH the meetings are not child friendly so many people believe they can bring up kids better than you. This idea that a five year old should have a Bible and a book and that colouring is bad is mad. I allowed my nine year old to draw and a friend of mine took me aside and said she thought that my daughter should be following along with the meeting. I really wasn't up for something else to get angry about at meetings i.e was she on the right page? had she pre studied? was she looking at pictures and not following text? I told my friend my daughter could do this when she was ready since no other nine year old would be expected to study religious material at 8 o'clock at night.

so the majority view is that your meetings were as uninspiring as mine.

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How many meetings did you actually enjoy?

by nugget in

i was talking to my husband and we were trying to work out how many meetings we actually came away from feeling enthused or excited by what we had heard.

not including pre and post meeting association how many wow moments can you recall?.

we had to conclude that most of the time in the organisation the meeting was something you endured.

nugget

So why did we all go for years and years and years and years.

In any other walk of life if meetings were that unfulfilling you would stop going. I must have been mad.

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Jehovah and the Munchausen Syndrome

by Terry in

what is munchausen by proxy syndrome?.

one of the most harmful forms of child abuse, munchausen by proxy syndrome was named after baron von munchausen, an eighteenth-century german dignitary known for telling outlandish stories.

a parent will induce illness or injury in their own child and then take the victim in to the hospital to be seen as the heroic savior.. typically, the perpetrator feels satisfied when he or she has the attention and sympathy of doctors, nurses, and others who come into contact with him or her and the child.. because the parent or caregiver appears to be so caring and attentive, often no one suspects any wrongdoing.. .

nugget

Although I see the point I don't entirely commit to it. In Munchausen Syndrome the child is passive they neither create the symptoms nor are they complicit in the act. If you believe the Bible account the creator outlined what was needed for the spiritual children to remain in good health and good standing.

The account states that although Eve was misled Adam was fully aware of the consequences of the act and was active in making the choice for sickness and death. The account shows Adam betraying the trust God places in him and making a selfish decision resulting in sickness and death for all. We do not know what mercy may have existed for Eve had Adam remained true to his principles. Did God set them up to fail? I don't know, he did give them the knowledge to succeed as well and that should not be ignored. It could be argued that we are viewing events from the perspective of imperfection so it is impossible to really know the thought processes of a perfect man who may never have existed.

God sending his son and performing the rescue does appear extreme and may well be symptomatic of another syndrome but the parallel with Munchausen syndrome is not clear.

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How many meetings did you actually enjoy?

by nugget in

i was talking to my husband and we were trying to work out how many meetings we actually came away from feeling enthused or excited by what we had heard.

not including pre and post meeting association how many wow moments can you recall?.

we had to conclude that most of the time in the organisation the meeting was something you endured.

nugget

Flipper thank you it is the funny moments that stand out. One very worthy brother was doing the announcements one December and had an item on the Watchtower and Awake offers. It was back in the 80's when acid house parties were big news.

He started off by telling the audience that there was a fine article revealing the dangers of household acid parties. I had visions of people sniffing bleach and couldn't help laughing. He made a couple of other mistakes and finished with "As Christmas is coming up I am sure people on the territory will be fascinated by this article on the 3 Maggies." I could barely stay in my seat I was laughing so hard. He obviously meant the Magi but misread the title.

It was shortly after that the elders said hubby couldn't be a MS because he didn't take the meetings seriously enough. It was so worth it.

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How many meetings did you actually enjoy?

by nugget in

i was talking to my husband and we were trying to work out how many meetings we actually came away from feeling enthused or excited by what we had heard.

not including pre and post meeting association how many wow moments can you recall?.

we had to conclude that most of the time in the organisation the meeting was something you endured.

nugget

I was talking to my husband and we were trying to work out how many meetings we actually came away from feeling enthused or excited by what we had heard. Not including pre and post meeting association how many Wow moments can you recall?

We had to conclude that most of the time in the organisation the meeting was something you endured. We went to the meetings so as not to feel guilty, to be seen by others, to stop others criticising, because we had an assignment and because we wanted to catch up with others.

We had to admit that we didn't enjoy meetings of late and the children certainly didn't. We didn't spend quality time with the children at the hall and now we do. The hall was somewhere we took them to tell them off.

Restore my faith and tell me that unlike our congregation, your meetings were exciting and vibrant full of meaningful scriptual application and heart stopping moments. What kept you coming back for more?

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Breaking News: Police Arrest JW Elder for Creating Chaos at Hospital

by Scott77 in

a jehovah witness man, kwabena afum and his wife, margret afum aka abena oduma, have had a brush with the law after creating an unnecessary chaotic scene at new edubiase government hospital in a bid to prevent medical officers from giving blood to their son.. .

kwabena afum was arrested last week tuesday and granted a police enquiry bail the next day for causing panic and chaos by allegedly mobilizing some members of his church to foment trouble at the hospital.. .

he has since disowned five-year-old jepheth asamoah, who is currently in the custody of the social welfare department in the district, even after his release.. .

nugget

This is the sort of extreme behaviour that can have no justification. In this country a child who needs a transfusion will be given one regardless of the parent's wishes. This does not make the child sinful. A five year old would certainly not be in a position to decline any medical procedure nor would they necessarily understand what a transfusion was.

The question remains how did this small child end up in a position where they had lost so much blood in the first place?

What a dreadful guilt trip to load on an infant, these parents do not deserve their child and perhaps the kindest thing they could have done is give him up. I hope this means his life improves and he doesn't spend the rest of his childhood in an institution. I hope the parents are prosecuted for neglect and abandonment.

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I just had my first child

by daniel-p in

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baby girl, 6 lbs, 14 oz, 19-3/4in, looks like me they say.... still in awe... there were some complications, but mom and baby are doing good.

baby's down the hall in nicu and it still doesn't feel real.. .

nugget

Well done. Many congratulations.