You might do you self a favor Simon if you did not believe everything you read in the Guardian. Everybody in America can state their opinion; it is a ludicrous accusation to say people are having their freedom of speech curtailed. What’s happening however is people are responding to the left with criticism, basically exercising their freedom of speech and some on the left do not like that.
Terry
Posts by jelly
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22"Bush fiddles with economy while Baghdad burns"
by Simon inan interesting article which somewhat reflects my own take on what i see happening.
please note that this does not put any judgement on whether i think it is a good thing or not so please do not "shoot the messenger".. whether you believe or accept the points or not it is an interesting read.
i personally think that the action bush has taken in the last few years has done more harm to the usa than it's enemies ever could which is surely a crime?..
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The stock-market is always a good measure of how things are going
by Simon inmuch better than ever changing polls and public opinion.. what do you think?
many believe that america 'cannot loose' as they have a massively more powerful force against guys with rifles but could they get bogged down for longer than expected?
could the economy collapse?
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jelly
I edited mine but if you want the statement gone you both are going to have to edit the quote.
Terry
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Camp Xray Latest...Anyone?
by ISP innot heard a lot on this recently.
are there still hundreds of people chained, blindfolded etc in open cages still?.
kinda topical with the issue of treatment of pows being to the fore now.. isp
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jelly
Some more evidence of American abuse
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Camp Xray Latest...Anyone?
by ISP innot heard a lot on this recently.
are there still hundreds of people chained, blindfolded etc in open cages still?.
kinda topical with the issue of treatment of pows being to the fore now.. isp
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jelly
Interesting that the "pro-war, America can do no wrong
if I said anti war Saddam lovers how long would it take you to shut the thread down Simon?
Terry
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Camp Xray Latest...Anyone?
by ISP innot heard a lot on this recently.
are there still hundreds of people chained, blindfolded etc in open cages still?.
kinda topical with the issue of treatment of pows being to the fore now.. isp
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jelly
- Differences between Americans and Iraqis
- We are conducting a homicide investigation becuase
- This type of behavior is not accept
- This type of behavior is not the norm
- I hate to tell you all but the guys in Cuba are by legal defintion'unlawfull combatants' which means they dont fall under the Geneva convention. that being said
- They still have access to the red cross
- There relgious rights are being observed
- They are not being tortured
- They are not being starved
- They are not being hooked up to car batteries
- And there is no evidence they are being mistreated
- They are being allowed to write home
- First hand accounts from former detainers carry almost no weight in my book, if you want to believe some relgious fanatic fine
- Unlike the Iraqis if these things actually did happen the gulity parties should be punished, I am waiting for more evidence than an article in the Gurdian. Basically your logic runs like this
- Supposed American injustices that are not the norm = Iraqi injustices that are.
- Moral equivalancy at its finest
- We are conducting a homicide investigation becuase
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Iraq Parades dead US soldiers
by ISP ini've just seen the al-jazeera footage.
its truly shocking.
there were about 6-7 us soldiers.
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jelly
Do you think there is actually a moral equivalency between the way Americans treat the prisoners in Cuba and the way the Iraqis treated the Americans. It is obvious that many of the American soldiers were shot in the head execution style. That does not happen in Cuba. Or put more bluntly can you honestly say you would rather be an American prisoner in Iraqi hands than an Al-quida(sp?) prisoner in Cuba?
Remember when you refute this scale counts, we are looking at the rule not the exception.
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The stock-market is always a good measure of how things are going
by Simon inmuch better than ever changing polls and public opinion.. what do you think?
many believe that america 'cannot loose' as they have a massively more powerful force against guys with rifles but could they get bogged down for longer than expected?
could the economy collapse?
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jelly
could they get bogged down for longer than expected
yes
Could the economy collapse
no
Is time on Iraq's side?
to some extent, but not to the extent you would like.
It took three weeks in Afghanistan for reporters to start using the word ‘quagmire’ in Iraq it took four days. Worst-case scenario would involve and extended siege around Baghdad. Saddam had some tricks up his sleeve, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. That being said it is obvious that the resistance was underestimated, and tactics need to be adjusted. Terry
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The Warnings of History
by chachasmum in.
i found this very interesting thought i would post it to share with you.. http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/analysis/2003/0316history.htm
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jelly
History should be paid attention to.
I agree, but for guidance not exact pattern matches. Anyway I think we can agree that its important not to give up our freedoms because of fear.
Terry
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The Warnings of History
by chachasmum in.
i found this very interesting thought i would post it to share with you.. http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/analysis/2003/0316history.htm
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jelly
Ever notice how everyone always claims history is on their side. Honestly I don’t think Saddam is the quite the threat Hitler was, as he is made out on the right. However, to imply that Bush is turning America into Nazi Germany shows an even more tenuous grasp of reality.
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Would it be better to have a halt to war topics ?
by Simon inunfortunately, it seems that people are unable or unwilling to debate or discuss the war and stay civil.
people are accused of all sorts of extremes such as "advocating child torture and rape" if you are against the war or "being a mass murderer and war criminal" if you support it.. some people seem to want to be able to post anything they want and it be accepted verbatim while other people are denied an opinion that doesn't agree with theirs.. i for one am sick of it and i suspect that other people are too.. this is supposed to be a site for jw related issues.
not exclusively but primarily.
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jelly
Actually, upon further review, you should simply institute a one or two-day suspension for any personal attack, pro or con, minor or major. This is a highly stressful time and this board can serve as a bit of an outlet. I don’t think it’s fair to punish all. Moreover, after the first few suspensions everyone will be civil.
Terry