Is it reasonable to conclude rape and sex slaves if God required a month before marrying the person? A month is a long time to hold off on rape.
Wow. Just wow.
LostGeneration
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Introduction - Any Believers?
by Believer ini’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents
by Simon injudge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.
imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.
by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.
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Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?
by Believer ini was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
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How odd, I didn't read that anywhere in the OP.
Believer has been asked to clarify his position, based on the teachings of Jesus. Not the happy feel good ones, the ones that state all non believers will be cast into hell. Yet he still refuses to answer. He simply states us doofus atheists are confusing religion with God.
I'd at least respect you Xians if you simply said that Jesus is the man, we support his position, and all the rest of you can burn in hell if you don't agree. Yet you duck and dodge because that position. Why?
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Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?
by Believer ini was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
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LostGeneration, it can't be stopped. That's what freedom is all about. Free to believe or not believe in something. The problem is psychos and those who teach hatred.
It can be stopped. Not in my lifetime but maybe in centuries there will be fewer believers of all stripes hindering progress.
When I came on this board as a struggling JW I was fully convinced that I just needed to be a plain old Xian and then I would be just fine. But the debates back then helped me rip my belief system down to nothing and then admit to myself what was the most logical and reasoned position.
I participate now for the same newbies and lurkers who might be doing that same thing. Those people have kids, I'd prefer they not indoctrinate them with some form of Christianity that teaches that their God is going to toss non-believers into hell fire. Or kill them off. Or judge them because they happen to be different in some way their holy book says is sinful. Xians and others who promote any religious position publicly aren't going to steamroll over the rest of us just because they say that's how it has to be.
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Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?
by Believer ini was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
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Ignoring that ad hominem rant Lieu, the issue of belief is important because it is holding our society back as a whole. The longer humans persist in believing in myths the longer people will continue to suffer on on earth because of so called holy books.
And I'll go ahead and pose the question, do you see it?
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Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?
by Believer ini was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
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LostGeneration
And Believer once again ducks and dodges DJS without even having the balls to answer the question. No wonder we tire of the endless preaching and then when the rubber hits the road there isn't a straight answer. Back to the OP, though you failed to address my original point, what justification is there for you to pick and choose only the GOOD teachings of Jesus and completely disregard the ruinous and destructive teachings of this man.
It does not harm myself or anyone else and I can’t see why others would find these simple teachings offensive.
Matthew 25:41New International Version (NIV)
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Your teachings of Jesus condemn me to fire, Gehenna, whatever straw you are splitting today. How would this NOT be offensive to anyone who doesn't regard Jesus the same way you do??
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Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?
by Believer ini was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
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LostGeneration
Always interesting to see how believers create their own Jesus. Throw out all the bad he said and keep all the good.
Personally the part where Jesus threatens me with eternal fire for not following him shows he's not all that loving. That's actually blackmail when you define it correctly.
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2016 convention "movies". Propaganda, pure and simple....
by stuckinarut2 inno doubt all are familiar with the 2016 convention video movies being shown?.
(if you haven't seen them, go to cedars youtube channel to see them in full).
they are the most disturbing, emotionally manipulative, propaganda pieces ever seen.. thoughts?.
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LostGeneration
I agree with the OP. It is a bad thing if you have a loved one in the cult and you are trying to extract them. Bigger picture though this is good for the long term demise of the cult. In the past there was just the written word. As disturbing as the literature is, when it comes to life it becomes even more disturbing and ridiculous. Which in turn moves more people to comment on it, more awareness overall about the cult, and less recruitment.
A really good example of this, a video I saw today:
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Watchtower Bible & Tract Society: Pretending to Be Alive?
by David_Jay inaccording to market analysis, the e-book market has taken a dip in 2015. because companies that publish e-books can (and do) monitor the use of the e-books materials they release, not only their sales but the individual e-book’s use gets tracked.
companies like amazon and kobo as well as nielsen book research in the uk all report that while the format remains popular, sales have dipped more than a quarter last year in some places like britain, and that hard copies of books still are preferred.. amazon (u.s.a.) sales figures give an example of how things are working on the world scene.
for instance non-fiction hard copy printed books sales (including religion) made up a healthy 42% of their purchased books in 2015. in the same category, however, e-books made up only 6% of the sales.. kobo monitored its e-book sales and found that 60% of the electronic versions never even got opened.
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They don't have a plan. Literally zero plan. They actually think there is a guy up there in heaven that is going to fix it all for them.
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Why Are You Here?
by Believer ini'm wondering why believers remain members of this forum which is clearly hostile to believers.
as one member said, nonbelievers pounce on any semblance of belief like piranhas on prey.
as former jws we should have had our fill of judgmental know-it-alls, but here we are.
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the reality of loving, all wise, Creator God
Real to who? You? That doesn't make it real to everyone. Its these assertions that drive us "animals" as you referred to us in your OP crazy. Just because you have an invisible sky friend doesn't make said sky friend "real".