Posts by Mythbuster

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6/15 WT- GB More Powerful than Worldwide Anointed- Don't Judge Partaking

by flipper in

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friends

more of the latest from the june 15th " witness only " watchtower.

under the article " the faithful steward and it's governing body " there were some very telling quotes which could indicate how the wt society is tightening the control of it's members - and trying to justify more partaking of the emblems at the memorial since the numbers partaking have gone up from about 8,000 to 10,000 since they no longer feel that the sealing of the anointed ended in 1935.. so first off, notice this quote indicating the importance of elevating the governing body over the rest of the anointed around the earth.

paragraph 16 it states , " are all these anointed ones throughout the earth part of a global network that is somehow involved in revealing new spiritual truths ?

Mythbuster

*** it-1 p. 806 Faithful and Discreet Slave ***
Those forming the Christian congregation are referred to by the apostle Paul as “members of the household of God” (Eph 2:19; 1Ti 3:15), and the same apostle shows that ‘faithful stewardship’ among such household members involved the dispensing of spiritual truths on which those becoming believers would ‘feed.’ (1Co 3:2, 5; 4:1, 2; compare Mt 4:4.) Whereas this was a prime responsibility of those appointed as ‘shepherds’ of the flock (1Pe 5:1-3), the apostle Peter shows that such stewardship of the divine truths was actually committed to all the ‘chosen ones,’ all the spirit-anointed ones, of the Christian congregation. (1Pe 1:1, 2; 4:10, 11) Thus the entire anointed Christian congregation was to serve in a united stewardship, dispensing such truths. At the same time the individual members making up such composite body, or the “domestics” making up the “house” of God (Mt 24:45; Heb 3:6; Eph 2:19), would also be recipients of the “food” dispensed. (Heb 5:11-14; compare 1Co 12:12, 19-27.) Expanded responsibility would result from faithfulness maintained until the master’s promised ‘arrival.’—Mt 24:46, 47; Lu 12:43, 44.

the GB was just a small part of the worldwide faithful slave class and that they recieved input from around the globe from various anointed who contributed research towards information that was printed in publications and the WT magazine.

This is what the JW I am talking to told me.

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100 Baptism Questions

by badboy in

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friends

iunderstand from a recent watchtower/awake that elders ask 100 questions before u are allowed to b baptized?.

what questions?

Mythbuster

Shame, shame, shame on this farce of a religion, asking if someone is sick with a permanent disease.

This is what I said on my thread about being denied a copy of the questions. It's insane.

To avoid transmitting an infectious or a potentially fatal disease to others, why should an infected person (a) not initiate public displays of affection, such as hugging and kissing? (b) attend the Congregation Book Study at the Kingdom Hall if at all possible? (c) not react negatively when some choose not to invite him into their homes? (d) Why should a person who may have been exposed to an infectious disease voluntarily choose to have a blood test before beginning a courtship? (e) Why should one having a communicable disease inform the presiding overseer before getting baptized?

What!

These are the scriptural references:

Do not you people be owing anybody a single thing, except to love one another; for he that loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. For the law code ...is summed up in this word, namely, "You must love your neighbor as yourself." Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore love is the law’s fulfillment.?Rom. 13:8-10.

Love ... does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury.?1 Cor. 13:4, 5.

When really the scriptural reference, according this nonsense should be:

43 And the priest must look at him; and if there is an eruption of the reddish-white plague in the baldness of his crown or of his forehead like the appearance of leprosy in the skin of the flesh, 44 he is a leper. He is unclean. Unclean is what the priest should declare him. His plague is on his head. 45 As for the leprous one in whom the plague is, his garments should be torn, and his head should become ungroomed, and he should cover over the mustache and call out, ‘Unclean, unclean!’ 46 All the days that the plague is in him he will be unclean. He is unclean. He should dwell isolated. Outside the camp is his dwelling place. Leviticus 13:43-46

I can't believe that is an actual question!

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Post a U-tube of your Favorite Songs from Music groups or Singers

by flipper in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weiyggwt6no.

Mythbuster

To me, this is more about a loss of faith in god than about suicide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSC0zQnLIWQ

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Jesus' Role as Mediator

by sd-7 in

i just had a thought--never a good sign, right, ladies?--about jesus' role as mediator, as defined by the watchtower society.

i personally experienced a particularly interesting moment with my mother back when i first started to lose faith in the borg.

(i'm actually going to use that term, borg, now because "organization" makes me cringe every time i hear it, even when it's used at work.

Mythbuster

Which one was it?

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Explain the Lord's prayer

by loosie in

its been a while since i've posted, i've been swamped.

btu a question came up today at work and i could think of no better place to answer that question than here at jwd.. in the lord's prayer it says " lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil" ok so the question is why does it say not to lead us into temptation when god wouldn't lead his children into temptation?.

now in my opinion this is just another typo that proves that men wrote the bible.

Mythbuster

This has got me thinking. The first case of God tempting man appears in the first two chapters of the Bible! God creates the universe, places man in a beautiful garden and then places within his reach a tree from which he was commanded not to eat.

Here we have a utopian setup with a sinless man, a perfect world and a God who was physically communing with the man and yet God had to provide the man with an unnecessary temptation. It was unnecessary because the tree of the knowledge of good and evil didn't serve any other purpose than to tempt the man!

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil didn't have to be there since man could have sinned in any number of ways, murdering Eve, for example, thereby removing the fact that God actually caused man to sin by placing a restriction upon him which served no other purpose but to cause him to sin.

The JW I am talking to says that God didn't tempt man, Satan did. But I ask, "Who planted a tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden and declared it off limits? Did Satan plant the tree?" God, being omniscient, knowingly allowed the serpent to push Eve over the line and hence Adam. Therefore, God is ultimately responsible for leading man into temptation. One analogy that comes to mind is that of a father playing with his two year old daughter in the living room. There are plenty of off-limit items for a two year old but one day, he decides to place his unloaded .45 on the coffee table, pulls his daughter over and explicitly tells her not to touch it or she
will get a spanking. What purpose does that gun on the coffee table serve other than to tempt the little girl? He leaves it there until the inevitable happens: natural curiosity overwhelms her and she touches it. No one would view the father as sane but isn't that exactly what the authors of Genesis have God doing?

When God told Abraham to murder his son, Isaac, that was a test. In fact, the verse actually uses the word tempted! Genesis 22:1-2

God can't be tempted?

An interesting instance where God was tempted is in Exodus chapter 17. The Israelites are complaining to Moses because they are dying from thirst.

What I find interesting about this is that although the people tempted God by saying "Is he among us" or to put it another way, "If God exists, why doesn't he do 1, 2 or 3?", God succumbs to the temptation. Here we have an all-mighty, all-knowing God being coerced to cave in to the people's griping! It is not a case of God being tempted to do something evil, but a case of God being tempted to prove his existence and giving in to the test.

Just some thoughts on my mind.

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Explain the Lord's prayer

by loosie in

its been a while since i've posted, i've been swamped.

btu a question came up today at work and i could think of no better place to answer that question than here at jwd.. in the lord's prayer it says " lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil" ok so the question is why does it say not to lead us into temptation when god wouldn't lead his children into temptation?.

now in my opinion this is just another typo that proves that men wrote the bible.

Mythbuster

This so odd that this topic is here. I asked the JW I am talking to this exact question. Initially I got a deer in the headlight look, then some flipping through a book and the answer I received was jehovah does not tempt us, what we are asking here is that when we are tempted, by satan, that jehovah not allow us to crack under the pressure of temptation.

Still makes no sense to me since obviously the prayer is directed to god.

And as a side note, it doesn't seem to work according to all of the information I have read about paedophilia in the watchtower organization.

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Rutherford's trial and the "other judge"

by PYRAMIDSCHEME in

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friends

i was wondering if the transcript for the trial that sent the gb to prison during the great war was available for download somewhere?

also when you read wt lit they are always saying the judge who presided over the case was corrupt and had accepted bribes, is this true?

any info available on that?

Mythbuster

http://www.archive.org/details/RutherfordVTheUnitedStatesTrial

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Who is this man?

by believingxjw in

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friends

i came across this youtube video a while back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4js2i9xsn4&feature=channel .

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Mythbuster

The picture of the channel owner is one I have seen here. Maybe someone knows who it is and you can ask her.

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Wouldn't the death of three suffice?

by AK - Jeff in

why would a so-called 'loving' god put mankind through millenia of time, untold suffering, death to billions of mankind, all over the sin of a naked lady eating an apple without permission?.

how could his need to 'fulfill justice' or whatever theological argument is presented to justify such time to pass before correction - ever equal the pain it has forced mankind to endure?.

why did he not just kill one man, one woman, and one snake-imitating fallen angel - wipe the slate - and start fresh?

Mythbuster

This has been a particular problem for the JW I am talking to. My point is this:

The bible clearly says that children shall not be put to death for the sin of the father, so why am I being punished for Adam's sin?

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6
But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Jeremiah 31:29-30
In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity.

Ezekiel18:20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

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Trying to remember a scripture about allowing men to interpret bible for us.

by wanderlustguy in

there is a scripture that basically says we shouldn't let men or a group of men interpret the bible for us... anybody remember what it is?.

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wlg.

Mythbuster

Is it this? 1 John 2:27

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.