Posts by Wonderment

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Revised NWT released in Spanish

by Corney in

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today in madrid.. jw.org/es-nwt.

photos, videos, comments:.

https://jwtalk.net/topic/16901-new-world-translation-2013-revision-in-additional-languages/page/35/#comments.

Wonderment

Tenacious: "Any so-called translations from their original Greek or Hebrew language by the governing maggots will always be tainted. Those maggots in their effort to take away the deity of Christ even created a non-existent Greek grammar rule. Hahahahaha!!"

Could you be so kind as to describe for us the specific non-existent Greek grammar rule that was created by these "governing maggots"? It would also help if you shed some light on your linguistic reasons for you to reach this conclusion as a critic?

By the way, I am glad that the long-awaited Spanish version of the NWT 2013 is being released. We all benefit from more Bible reading, not less. The Bible has a calming effect on the people the more they read it.

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...Were Trump`s comments about Obama Racist?...

by OUTLAW in

more backlash: david letterman considers banning trump for his racist comments.

by colby hall | 8:16 am, april 29th, 2011 video .

david letterman and his guest dr. phil discussed donald trumps recent allegations that barack obama was.

Wonderment

Hey guys! Can we tone down the political attacks?

Do I believe Trump loves America? Yes, I do. Do I believe the four freshman congresswomen love America? Yes, I do. Do I believe the Republicans love America? Yes, I do. Do I believe the Democrats love America? Yes, I do.

More likely than not all these people as a group love America. Individually, not necessarily. To argue which group loves America the most is like asking which religious group loves God the most. It is a very difficult question to answer. Only when one takes politics as a religion does the ugly side of an individual comes out.

Many Americans nowadays believe that United States have been in a state of decadence for some time now. Some believe that as a nation we are falling behind in education, technology, environmental-damage control, morality, transportation, even militarily. Again, any of these points can be argued.

However, many Americans are overlooking a bigger problem. The biggest problem of USA cannot be explained by pointing to one of the two main parties doing the wrong things. Minorities and immigrants are not problem number one either. It is the status quo establishment we as a nation have developed over the years. We have let the financial sector with its many corporations take control over the White House and Congress. The decisions coming out from these sources are dependent on the collective rich and the famous crowds.

The other problems may be secondary to the bribing and lobbying going on in Washington. This issue overall affects every facet of the country. Neither party have been successful in putting a stop to this problem. Economic woes, inefficient infrastructure, WHO loves America the most, marginalizing individuals by labels, are just distractions which only benefit the real enemies of America, like Russia, China, Korea, Iran, Isis, etc.

Can we imagine how cheerful the Russians and the Chinese must be, to name two, when they see us targeting the wrong groups, minorities, immigrants and the other party, whoever is in charge. Divide and conquer! We all have heard these words. Divisions weaken any country, and in the end no one benefits from it.

So, please, let's show a bit more love and dignity to our fellowmen. EVERY person on the planet is valuable in God's eyes.

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Why Aren`t The G.B Members Representive Of All Nations ? and not just America ?

by smiddy3 in

are all of the governing .body .members american citizens ?

shouldn`t they at least represent a greater proportion of nations in light of jesus being a saviour of all the world ?.

god loved the world of mankind right ?

Wonderment

Not only are the majority of GB members white, but guess who are (or, have been ) in charge of WT Branches throughout the world. Are these Branches not governed by mostly white brothers? If this is the case, it would indicate that the mostly white GB do not even trust their own brothers from other ethnicities to be in charge.

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Hellfire justifies torture = Armageddon justifies shunning?

by slimboyfat in

a few weeks ago the watchtower study condemned the teaching of hellfire, among other things, because some religions have used the hellfire doctrine as a justification for torture:.

the false teaching of hellfire has been used to justify torture, including the burning at the stake of those who opposed church teachings.

according to a book on the spanish inquisition, some of those responsible for this cruelty may have believed that they were only giving heretics “a taste of what perpetual hellfire would be like” so that they would repent before dying and be saved from hellfire.. it occurs to me that jws justify disfellowshipping on a similar basis.

Wonderment

SB: "So if Christendom is condemned for having used hellfire to justify physical torture, doesn’t Watchtower stand condemned for using Armageddon to justify the psychological torture of disfellowshipping and shunning? Is that a fair comparison to make?"

Fear of Armageddon (or, hellfire) used to justify extreme measures of psychological torture via disfellowshipping and shunning is a fair comparison, but more likely COMBINED with the common inherent belief within the organization that Jehovah's Witnesses are exclusively God's people, which in their mindset truly justifies all the corresponding detrimental actions (authoritarian control, lack of free speech, etc.) brought about the concept of "unity at all costs."

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Frederick Franz, "Bible Scholar"

by Quendi in

as some of you know by now, i spent sunday, 7 august, renewing ties with a dear friend.

we're both disfellowshipped, the difference between us being he is seeking reinstatement and i am not.

we got into some very spirited discussions on different bible topics and one of them was the value of the new world translation itself.

Wonderment

To Adam Levi,

Thank you so much for pointing out to us the confusion of many between the two scholars named Benjamin Kedar of Israel. I myself made that blunder.The one who wrote about the NWT was Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein.

Anyways, those who criticized me in the previous page for mentioning this scholar's positive comments on the OT portion of the NWT claiming he had no authority whatsoever to talk about linguistic issues criticized too soon. Their motives have been revealed.

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Active JW'S - Are YOU "exercising faith?"

by The Fall Guy in

on pages 27 & 28 of the august 2019 study watchtower, it perverts the translation of scriptures yet again, in order to drum it into jw's minds that they have to work for their salvation.

“on the evening before his death, jesus told his disciples: “exercise faith in god; exercise faith also in me.” (john 14:1).

according to strong's lexicon, the greek word pisteuō is translated thus - “to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in, of the thing believed, to credit, have confidence.”.

Wonderment

The Fall Guy: "It's sad that the ‘only true religion’ on planet earth doesn't have God's spirit guiding them when it comes to translating the Christian Greek scriptures – but Christendom has it! :( "

This statement has to be one of the boldest (Or say, oddest) affirmations I have seen on this website. The belief that ‘Christendom has God's spirit behind their Greek translations of the NT’ is wishful thinking. Their record in mistranslations is out there. No translation is perfect. They all have unintended errors.

The Fall Guy: "Is fear a synonym for 'deep respect?'"

It can be one of its meanings. In fact, one can argue that that is the intended meaning. Surely, Paul wasn't advising women to be walking around with "fear" in the presence of their husbands.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible: "And the wife see that she reverence her husband - The word "see" is supplied by our translators. The meaning is, that it was the special duty of the wife to show respect for her husband as the head of the family, and as set over her in the Lord; see on Ephesians 5:22, note 28, note. The word rendered "reverence," is that which usually denotes "fear" - φοβῆται phobētai. She is to fear; i. e., to honor, respect, obey the will of her husband. It is, of course, not implied that it is not also her duty to love her husband, but that there should be no usurping of authority; no disregard of the arrangement which God has made; and that order and peace should be secured in a family by regarding the husband as the source of law."

A. T. Robertson: "‘Fear’ (phobetai, present middle subjunctive) here is ‘reverence.’” (Word Pictures in the New Testament, IV, p. 547)

NIV: However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

The Greek word phobētai has a strong connotation which implies deep respect or reverence with accentuated consideration to their mates.

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Age when parents should stop bathing their children

by Wonderment in

by what age should parents stop bathing and wiping their children's bottoms?

when are these actions a definitely no-no?.

Wonderment

Thanks 4 your comments. But let me rephrase the question:

At what age would you consider extreme for parents to be bathing their kids, and/or wiping their bottoms?

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when are these actions a definitely no-no?.

Wonderment

By what age should parents stop bathing and wiping their children's bottoms? When are these actions a definitely no-no?

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18 definite ways women turn men off.

by Wonderment in

i picked the list below somewhere, and i would like to hear your opinions on it.

what would you keep or change?

18 definite ways women turn men off.

Wonderment

Vanderhoven 7: "By the way, these are 18 ways to turn off any spouse, male or female."

You are so correct with this observation.