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JWs Don't Really Believe This Scripture...

by JW_Rogue in

so the bible says this about god at rom 1:20 for his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the worlds creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and godship, so that they are inexcusable.. however, jws don't really believe this scripture to be true.

whenever something comes out about nature that they don't like they will instead say that it is due to imperfection.

animals are predatory and will kill to survive, well, that must be imperfection.

JW_Rogue

So the bible says this about God at Rom 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

However, JWs don't really believe this scripture to be true. Whenever something comes out about nature that they don't like they will instead say that it is due to imperfection. Animals are predatory and will kill to survive, well, that must be imperfection. Tiny bacteria and viruses can easily kill thousands of people, well, that must be imperfection. Natural disasters like floods, earthquakes and hurricanes occur regularly, well, that must be imperfection. Homosexuality is a product of genetics, well, that must be imperfection. If we really believe this scripture than we must take it for what it says and not try to make excuses for God. We must look at how things really are and decide what kind of qualities it really shows about God (or if he even exists).

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Following Christ "from a distance."

by New day in

luke 22:54.

"then they arrested him and led him off, and they brought him into the house of the high priest; but peter was following at a distance.

" i am still raging because this verse was used at a recent circuit overseer's visit.

JW_Rogue

I hated that comment at the convention. Perhaps there is a reason that many brothers aren't reaching out. I think the reason is that people see exactly what being an Elder really means. More mundane responsibilities, Elder meetings, conflict with other Elders, taking the lead in Field Service, Judicial Committees. And what do you get for all this? Maybe some praise from some in the hall, you get to be part of the Elder club and some Public Talks. Not really worth it since it is all empty and meaningless. Absolutely everything Elders do is an unnecessary chore. Working day in and day out for an org which accomplishes nothing.

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A question .....

by Landy in

hi guys - new poster here.

i was brought up a jw in the uk and stopped going not long after i was married.

that was 20 years ago so i'm not really up to date with the current doctrinal flip flops or the new youtube obsessed gb.. came across this site while googling the name of a local elder who's just been convicted of possesion of a pc full of unpleasant pics of kids.. so, my question.

JW_Rogue

Oh, yeah super easy to fade away. LOL Not when your entire family is in the org and they all live in the same city. Not when your wife has doubts but tries to beat them back by being more "spiritual." Not when you're a MS and the brothers don't want you to step down because that would mean more mundane work for them.

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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15

by JW_Rogue in

no, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.

that is to be expected from this org.

what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.

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Another thought that occurred to me during the WT---the article cited, as evidence of God's hand in action, all kinds of legal battles to protect the preaching have been won. But if God is interceding, why send lawyers to fight the cases, why not just send any faithful JW to court armed with prayer, faith, and conviction. Why is there an in house WT legal team? Their method for dealing with legal matters does not particularly indicate any overwhelming faith in Godly intervention.

Their methods belie their motives

Or better yet, how do we then explain the recent loses regarding child abuse? Would that show that maybe God isn't blessing them? Or could it mean it's time to apologize and change policies? Oh, wait, a good JW is not even supposed to know what is going on with those. Never seemed to make it to the JW.org news section.

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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15

by JW_Rogue in

no, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.

that is to be expected from this org.

what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.

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As individuals, we know that our immediate physical protection is not guaranteed.

Oh, yes we could never expect such a thing from God as individuals but of course his precious org will be protected...barf. So basically anytime anything good happens for us we are to praise God and his loving blessings, even if our own time and hard work were involved. However, if something bad happens then, well, we cannot expect God to protect us. Pure BS.

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November Study WT "Train You Child to Love Going Door 2 Door"

by JW_Rogue in

been catching up on some jw reading and found a gem in the november study wt in the first article, paragraph #11:.

yet, you might look beyond the obvious and ask yourself, does my child enjoy the ministry or only the breaks?

if you discern that the ministry could be more interesting or more rewarding for your children, set goals with them.

JW_Rogue

And I guess everyone gets to work in middle class territories with friendly elderly people to talk to...

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November Study WT "Train You Child to Love Going Door 2 Door"

by JW_Rogue in

been catching up on some jw reading and found a gem in the november study wt in the first article, paragraph #11:.

yet, you might look beyond the obvious and ask yourself, does my child enjoy the ministry or only the breaks?

if you discern that the ministry could be more interesting or more rewarding for your children, set goals with them.

JW_Rogue

Been catching up on some JW reading and found a gem in the November Study WT in the first article, paragraph #11:

Yet, you might look beyond the obvious and ask yourself, ‘Does my child enjoy the ministry or only the breaks?’ If you discern that the ministry could be more interesting or more rewarding for your children, set goals with them. Use creativity to help them to have a full share as your preaching companions.

WTF? Of course most young kids will actually not want to go out in field service. Why would they? They are kids and field service isn't even satisfying for grown ups. Face it, the only reason a kid would want to go in service is to please the parents. Those are the same kids who'll get baptized at eleven and regret it later.

Then they added this dreadful picture:

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Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?

by careful in

i've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.

but one thing i've noticed that the org.

has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.

JW_Rogue

I think the focus of the new songs is emotional manipulation. An idea can get into your brain easier when accompanied by music. The push for practicing the songs is about more manipulation and control. Songs like "Life Of A Pioneer" and "Listen, Obey and Be Blessed" have terrible lyrics designed to brainwash. I think they may have also found that many of the new songs aren't very easy to sing along to and actually take quite a bit of practice to sound good.

I also have a theory that by having some songs that you either have to print out or download to a device they are trying to encourage meeting preparation. If you don't study and note which songs are going to be played you'll be stuck standing there with no song to sing and everyone will know you didn't study.

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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15

by JW_Rogue in

no, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.

that is to be expected from this org.

what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.

JW_Rogue

No, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of God working in mundane WT activities. That is to be expected from this org. What really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one. The nerve they have to mentionTyphoon Haiyan after what had happened there. Witnesses died in Kingdom Halls after being told they would be safe there. What does that say about God's hand and blessing on this org? If you don't know the story you can read more here: http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/why-the-governing-body-owes-an-explanation-for-what-happened-in-the-philippines

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ATT: WARNING

by EJ257 in

please be aware of everything that is happening around the world at this moment in time.

this goes to anyone, ex-communicated, removed, serving, believer and non.

at this point in my observations i have realized many religions/ideologies know there is some sort "end of time" or a transition into a new order of living in this earth.

JW_Rogue

Remember when they tell all of you to cease preaching, it's for a reason, the only reason this would happen is when bethel knows it's time.

When they say that I'll know they have run out of money to print WTs and I'll be very happy.

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