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  Control - Whose worse, the JWs or the traditional churches?

  by fulltimestudent in

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  we once experienced, the "you'll die at armegeddon," fear instilled into us as jw's.. was that worse or better than the fear of eternal torment instilled by more conventional religions?.

  john spong gives his view.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkah3hemv3m.

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  Asserting control over the afterlife (or lack thereof) is one thing. JWs control the now via the shunning policies, their strict control on information flow and strong phobia indoctrination.

  Exactly, Armageddon is not really that scary when you think about it. Most non-religious people believe that we will all die eventually anyway. So whether you die at Armageddon or not makes very little difference. JWs have been ingrained with the idea that they are special but only because of the organization. They fear that if they leave they will lose this special status and become like other "worldlies". They will also lose their JW family and friends. These JWs will reinforce the idea that they have lost something special and are now worthless until they return to the org.
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  a more appropriate logo instead of JW.org, drawn by my brother who is Still a witness, but weary of some things.

  by foreverfreenow in

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  The JW.org logo was quite clearly lifted from the WH.gov logo
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  Things JW's and Atheists have in common

  by juandefiero in

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  i was just thinking about something someone said on another thread.

  to paraphrase, 'jw beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'.

  i realized, atheists believe these things too!.

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  This evidence- based conviction of both Atheists and wt-believers is a great idea that emerged from this thread. Are atheists not convinced that the Universe made itself, that life is self-started? and they look for, manufacture (not faking) evidence to bolster their conviction, --through scientific research. WT believers bolster their convictions bymanufactured data too. Looking for bible passages to prove their doctrines, adjusting their beliefs to fit new circumstances, Too many anointed, invent the great crowd. Generation of 1914 expired, invent the overlap. If God,s existence, his approval through money is waning,-- dip into real estate sales. dip into kid's ice cream at circus money.

  It is true that JWs try to present themselves as more logical and less emotional than other religions (or at least they used to when I was growing up). I believe that is why they are so enamored with a Paradise Earth unlike heaven which is spiritual and mysterious they can present this hope as something everyone can understand. If you look closely though this belief in what is basically a physical heaven is ridiculous. Natural, biological, and physical laws would need to be altered. A belief in heaven where none of those laws take place is more reasonable than a belief in a physical Paradise.

  I think most Atheist simply don't see any hard evidence that a God exist so chose not to believe in one. It is not that they are looking for evidence to disprove God. No matter how much knowledge is gained about life's origins it will not disprove the concept of a God. Atheists would argue that lack of evidence is reason enough not to believe.
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  Witness Punk and Metal Band Names

  by Luther bertrand in

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  here is what i would name my band(s) let see if you can list some funny ones as well.

  here is my list:.

  local needs.

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  -She Knocks Softly (for an emo band)

  -Ancient Worthies

  -Fool's Paradise

  -The B's Molested

  -Bearded Boy
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  Who can you trust to admit you have doubts?

  by MrMonroe in

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  2. beliefs

  (that is, doubts).

  in margaret atwood's "the handmaid's tale", a futuristic story of life inside a repressive, abusive big brother-style society tightly controlled by religious fundamentalists, there's a passage in which the protagonist is alone with another woman at a state-controlled centre where prayers are generated -- then printed out and read out -- by a machine.

  the other woman asks, in barely more than a whisper, "do you think god listens to these machines?

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  That's why this board is so useful, because in real life I couldn't tell anyone the things that I say here. It's sad but it is the nature of things. They would either run away and try to avoid me or more than likely start crying and saying how I need to have more faith, everyone gets discouraged etc. They don't get it, it is not true and it never will be. None of us need to "be in the truth", this org has accomplished nothing worthwhile since it started.
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  JW Expressions We Hate

  by Socrateswannabe in

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  i was browsing through stuff on jw.org recently and ran across some expressions that really grate on my nerves: loyal love, loving-care, and loving-kindness, as in: "please exercise loving-kindness toward your servant.

  " who talks like that?

  they must be relics of the fred franz era.

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  -agape love/brotherly love

  -spiritual food at the right time

  -encouraging expressions

  -our most treasured hope for the future
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  "If I wasn't born a JW, I would never have become one."

  by OneEyedJoe in

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  i've seen it mentioned by a few on the forum that at some point there was a realization that had they not been born a jw, they never would've converted no matter how many times the jws tried to study with them.

  this was my experience too, and i'm wondering how universal it is for those that were born-in but eventually left.

  i think i started having this thought (more specifically that if i were not born a jw, i would surely have become an atheist by now) in my late teens.

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  For those that were born-in, did you ever realize that you never would've joined if not for the circumstances of your birth? If you did, how long did you live with that knowledge before finally and fully waking up?

  I made a fairly similar statement when I first joined this forum. I think it common among born-ins to feel this way. For me it probably started popping up when I went to college. I was open to many of the new ideas presented but found that JWs wouldn't even consider information other than what the WT pushes. I'm not even talking about evolution. Things like the big bang, formation of the universe, and artificial intelligence are all dismissed by JWs because they raise too many questions. I'd also find many of the statements from the "hardcore JWS" to be absolutely nuts.

  
  
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  Theism is a Fact #1

  by cofty in

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  nope sorry i got nothing.. wouldn't it be really interesting though if somewhere there was a theist who could challenge unbelievers with facts and evidence?.

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  Belief or non-belief is of no consequence, the important thing is to realize that if there is a God he didn't write any books and he is not answering your personal request for favor.
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  Having Jehovah as a friend.

  by Darkknight757 in

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  i've always found it amazing that people can say with such conviction that jehovah is their friend.. we are talking about a "friend" who perhaps daily "tests" us to see if we are his friends.

  all of us have dealt with some form of hardship such as the death of a loved one, chronic illness or whatever.

  it is in these cases that the brothers will tell a person that perhaps it is a test, or that "jehovah knows you're not ready" or some other lame excuse.. do our real friends "test" us to see if we will be loyal to them?

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  I really hated it when they would go on about a relationship with Jehovah. Or they would say you have to "make Jehovah real to you". If he is real and the almighty God of the universe then it should be obvious. Why should I work so hard to "make him real"? What they are really saying is that this is a delusion that you must fool your mind into believing.
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  Most Poorly Written JW Book

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i was thinking the other day that the wt corp has produced thousands of books over the years.

  although the writers have changed the style is almost always the same.

  however, some books are just worse than others.

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  Vanderhoven7 it is amazing how they can use their past as a fulfillment of bible prophecy while revealing so little about what they were actually teaching at that time. If Witnesses went back and read some of these books and talks they would see how ridiculous it all is. I think most don't want to know because they are afraid of what it will mean for them.