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  The Ages Of The Biblical Patriarchs

  by JW_Rogue in

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  so i've been reading the imitate their faith book (because my wife wants to) and keep coming upon these ridiculous ages for the bible patriarchs.

  now i know wt takes everything literally but there has got to be some explanation that makes more sense.

  why would the bible writers create these obviously false ages?

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  Thanks for all of your thoughts, guess it could just be the creation of legends. Just seemed odd to me because the Hebrews were very into genealogy as can be seen by other portions of the bible where lineages are carefully recorded. I had this silly idea that maybe they added the extra years because they knew that they didn't have an accurate record of all the generations. A way to fill in the gaps if you will...just speculation.
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  For the Supporters of Those Who Love Jehovah

  by lovesjehovah in

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  i am jehovah's witness, despite some of the questionable teachings, crimes, and other outlandish behaviors of specific people affiliated with the religion.

  i know that my relationship with jehovah is not influenced by any outside factors.

  i do not condone any crime.

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  I'll say this because I know that some people will just bash the OP. Even if you love Jehovah/God you don't have to stay in an organization that doesn't accept you. God hasn't created any earthly organization and the bible never says you need to belong to one to get saved. Just think about it. If you are really happy in the org then chances are you would not be here reading EXJW posts.
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  The Ages Of The Biblical Patriarchs

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've been reading the imitate their faith book (because my wife wants to) and keep coming upon these ridiculous ages for the bible patriarchs.

  now i know wt takes everything literally but there has got to be some explanation that makes more sense.

  why would the bible writers create these obviously false ages?

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  JW_Rogue

  So I've been reading the Imitate Their Faith book (because my wife wants to) and keep coming upon these ridiculous ages for the Bible patriarchs. Now I know WT takes everything literally but there has got to be some explanation that makes more sense. Why would the Bible writers create these obviously false ages? Any theories out there?
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  Personal thoughts and evaluations upon the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization

  by Finkelstein in

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  from my own personal feelings about the jws when i was involved and i was brought up in the is religious practice from birth, was one of feeling of being lied to, exploited and manipulated to a certain extent.

  reflectively though i could see some wholesome social behavior direction being propagated not surprising nevertheless since this faith is based from christianity at its core.. where and how the wts/jws got bit corrupted i believe is that this organization has always had a publishing house and its core operation and supporting finances were mostly from that endeavoring operation.

  this also included creating doctrines which were to support and enhance the proliferation of those published works.

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  I used to think that even if this was not the "truth" that living by JW principles would lead to happy life. Now I see that is just a line that they feed into your mind so you won't leave. Not only is it not the truth but it uses fear, guilt and shame to keep people in line. WT is essentially a propaganda machine. They aren't really truthful about anything. Sure some Bible principles are good and sound but the truth is you don't need to be a JW to live by them.

  They create rules that are not based on scripture but are based are trying to appear "different" to outsiders. Things like wearing business wear to meetings, being clean shaven and no tattoos or piercings aren't Biblical at all. And is it really true that every single holiday is objectionable? Even your own Birthday? No, it's another way you can be different and draw attention to the religion. The differences are actually there as a way to recruit more people.

  As others have said there is no real friendship in the org. This is also on purpose, members must be loyal to the org not to friends. Plus everyone is trying so hard not to appear "weak" that it is virtually impossible to get to know someone on more than a superficial level.

  
  
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  Correlation decline JW numbers and JW broadcasting?

  by Gorbatchov in

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  i read some impressive figures here about the decline of the jw numbers in 2015.. could there be a correlation between this decline and the start of jw broadcasting?.

  hence, that there would be an negative impact because the gb is standing so nearby, you can experience the idiot reasoning of their doctrines sitting in your own living room?.

  the lett effect?

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  I can't speak for JW Rogue but a David Splane moment that turned my stomach was when he "splained" the overlapping generation theory for the first time and said, "We LOVE this teaching!" I knew something was rotten in Denmark the moment he said that.

  I don't think he said that in this one that was at an AGM. What I thought was quite hilarious is when he goes to the story of the twelve tribes of Israel to try to redefine a common word. If you don't know what generation means then maybe try a dictionary. I noticed Splane likes to play the pseudo-intellectual egghead on JW Broadcasting. He also gave a talk without any Bible references to show that the FDS couldn't have existed until 1919.
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  Hypothetical Question...

  by JW_Rogue in

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  i was just thinking that the org has said lots of outrageous things over it's history and most jws just continue onward without a second thought.

  so my question is what do you think would have to be said from the platform or wt to get people to get up and walk out immediately?

  is it even possible?

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  Tell them that they will grow old and die. Just like everybody else.

  Yeah, I think that or saying that everyone is going to heaven would do it. Maybe recalculating 1914 to 1934 with some reasoning on how 1934 was the real turning point in history. A new Revelation book would be great as I'm sure it would make even less sense than the first one.
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  Hypothetical Question...

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
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  i was just thinking that the org has said lots of outrageous things over it's history and most jws just continue onward without a second thought.

  so my question is what do you think would have to be said from the platform or wt to get people to get up and walk out immediately?

  is it even possible?

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  They have people believing that generations overlap for god sake.... There is nothing they can say that at least some wont follow.

  I disagree, no one actually believes it they are just going along with it. No one in my hall even mentioned Bro. Splanes explanation. The reason is that it makes no sense. I think most Witnesses wish that they would just stop talking about it. Splane thought by acting smart and trying to complicate a simple word definition he could fool people. It didn't happened.
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  Correlation decline JW numbers and JW broadcasting?

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read some impressive figures here about the decline of the jw numbers in 2015.. could there be a correlation between this decline and the start of jw broadcasting?.

  hence, that there would be an negative impact because the gb is standing so nearby, you can experience the idiot reasoning of their doctrines sitting in your own living room?.

  the lett effect?

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  JW Broadcasting sure had that effect on me, seeing an actual Governing Body member spouting off nonsense really undermines the whole "God's Channel of Communication" thing. Nobody in my hall even talks about JW Broadcasting since the infamous David Splane episode. I think most are hoping it will go away. It is an embarrassment.
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  Hypothetical Question...

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking that the org has said lots of outrageous things over it's history and most jws just continue onward without a second thought.

  so my question is what do you think would have to be said from the platform or wt to get people to get up and walk out immediately?

  is it even possible?

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  JW_Rogue

  I was just thinking that the org has said lots of outrageous things over it's history and most JWs just continue onward without a second thought. So my question is what do you think would have to be said from the platform or WT to get people to get up and walk out immediately? Is it even possible?
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  New Light: Don't hold hands during prayers

  by RR in

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  from the watchtower november 15 study edition.. 19 when we are being represented in public prayer, we need to display reverential "fear of god.

  " (1 pet 2:17) there may be a proper time and place for some actions that would be inappropriate at a christian meeting.

  (eccl 3:1) for instance, suppose someone sought to have all in a group link arms or hold hands during prayer.

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  When there really is no scriptural reason for a rule they will always fall back on the "Someone might get stumbled" excuse. Meanwhile people who are actually stumbled by important things are told that they aren't spiritual enough and they need to "wait on Jehovah". You can't win, ever.