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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

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  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  cofty

  Hello RestoredParadise1.

  I looked at your website. You appear to be promoting a belief system that is 99.9999999999999999% Watchtower.

  Very odd!
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  cofty

  being rational is still a belief in itself

  No it isn't. It is a commitment to be led by evidence.

  There is always the case where "evidence" isn't totally believed or even explainable.

  I am only talking about objective evidence that can be verified by anybody.

  That doesn't mean it's irrational just because there is no refutable proof

  Believing incredible things without evidence is the very definition of irrational.

  If people just want to be honest and say that they believe because of blind faith then good luck to them. If they want to claim their belief is rational then let's hear the evidence.
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  cofty

  Being rational means that our belief is commensurate with the evidence - "ratio".

  If you tell me you own a pet dog I might believe you based on your word alone. If you tell me that an omnipotent deity made the world and raised Jesus from the dead I am going to ask you for a lot of objective evidence.

  No such evidence exists and the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.

  Therefore theism is irrational.

  I still have no idea what your OP is about. Why won't you tell me?
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  cofty

  every time I attempted to explain he completely misinterprets it and asks me another question based on his misinterpretation - Looter

  I have never misrepresented you. I asked you patiently three or four times to explain your point and you stubbornly refused.

  I had two or three goes at summarising what I thought your point was and you still refused to tell us.

  It is entirely your fault that nobody knows what you are trying to say.
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  cofty

  lm certain many unbelievers in here will silently turn to god on their death bed and pray for forgiveness just in case.Cofty might even be one of them. - atomat

  There is not even a remote possibility of that happening. I have faced the prospect of death more than once in recent years and the idea of appealing to a deity did not even cross my mind.

  
  

  All I am saying is you need to qualify your statement - Rebelfighter

  No I don't. The context is the consequences of belief in an absolute standard of morality. I cited three good examples that represent millions of christians.
  

  if we choice to believe in a religion we can pick one that best fits our belifs. - Rebelfighter

  How about just choosing to follow the evidence?

  That's a bad way of life to live hating believers because of your own stubbornness to not give credence to God. - Looter

  I don't know of any atheists who hate believers. That's just your silly persecution complex.
  
  

  l have great difficulty trying to understand how ex believers can so quickly turn their backs on god and outright deny gods existence. - automant

  It's easy. Follow the evidence.
  
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  cofty

  That was the sole reason why my original post was so long because I wanted to explain it in detail

  Then you have failed and I am finished.

  Unless you explain your point succinctly your efforts so far will be in vain.

  If you understood what your point is you would have no problem explaining it.
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  cofty

  Are you saying that conscience is evidence for god?
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  cofty

  Please read the last paraphrase of my original post

  What paraphrase?

  Why not sum up your main point in a few words? If not then I have lost interest. It's a pity because I would enjoy a conversation about godless morality.
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  cofty

  All I will say is that a lot of you guys have misunderstood my original post

  It's 1,384 words long. Many of the sentences are impossible to decipher due to your grammar.

  I'm sure with a bit of effort you could have made your point in 100 words.

  Are you saying that atheists have no basis for morality? If not what are you saying?
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  cofty

  I meant those people can be insanely rational but have no compassion

  What pople? Another straw-man that has absolutely nothing to do with your OP.

  I am trying hard to understand what your point actually is but everytime I address it your change it.

  Do you have any idea what your point is exactly?

  If so please express it succinctly in as few simple words as possible.