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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

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  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  Really? We can earn the right to look down on people? - Xant

  Apparently you have attained that status..
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  cofty

  Hadriel I am not being sarcastic when I ask "what is your question exactly?"

  If you define your question I will be happy to describe the progress that is being made in this area of science.

  Theists like to pretend that scientists don't have the first clue about the origins of life. That is simply not true. It is a fascinating field. If I was a young non-JW it is probably where I would want to have a career.
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  Because I never considered him a serious scholar.

  Wow!

  
  With a Ph.D. from Columbia University in ancient history, he specializes in the intellectual history of Greece and Rome, particularly ancient philosophy, religion, and science, with emphasis on the origins of Christianity and the use and progress of science under the Roman empire...
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  cofty

  I'm particularly interested in the concepts which caused simple amino acids to be charged resulting in proteins which begin chaining and building life - Hadriel

  This is a very different question from the origin of DNA.

  What do mean specifically by amino acids becoming "charged"?

  What is your question exactly?

  Do you understand your question?
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  cofty

  The reality as those on a definitive side of the fence don't like the answer.

  I don't understand this sentence. Can you explain please? What answer? What definitive side of which fence?

  you expect absolutes out of others

  For example?

  yet can't define what this event is and how RNA made the leap to DNA

  As I said you should investigate the work being done by biochemist Bill Martin of the University of Dusseldorf, Mike Russell of the Jet Propulsion Lab in Passendina, and Eugene Koonin of the NIH in the USA. They are doing fantastic work in this field. Nick Lane of UNiversity College London is doing research and experiments in the origin of life and has published widely on the subject. He has already published four books on this. I recommended one in the previous thread, did you get a copy? It is called "Life Arising".

  If I tell you more about the transition from RNA to DNA will you just keep changing the question?
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  I did know of Carrier's work
  

  So why did you claim there are no serious scholars who reject the historicity of Jesus?

  I will reconsider my stance against Carrier.

  Good idea. I am not convinced by Carrier but it is important to face up to the very best arguments against any position we hold.
  
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  I said that there is not a single scholar employed at a university or college. To my knowledge, Carrier is not employed at either university or college. - Saname

  You better learn the meaning of intellectual dishonesty too.

  Who pays Carrier's salary is irrelevant to the question of whether there are serious scholars working in the field who argue against the historicity of Jesus.

  Objecting that Carrier is not working as a professor is as silly as saying you will only accept the opinions of scholars who have a moustache,

  Either you knew of Carrier's work or you didn't.

  If you have read his book you should have admitted there is a serious case against your position that ought to be considered.

  If you haven't read his work you look ridiculous by saying you "heartily disagree" him.

  If you are ever assigned the task of responding to a 700 page treatise by an expert in his own field you better do more than assert that you "heartily disagree" with him.
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  cofty

  For me it is about that catalyst, until that is solved both are nothing more than theory.

  We had a very long conversation about that and despite numerous requests for you to define what you mean we are no better informed..

  I came to the conclusion that you don't understand your own "question".

  I told you above about three prominent scientists who have provided a compelling hypothesis about the origin of DNA and offered to tell you a lot more about it.

  There are just two tiny chemical differences between RNA and DNA. Both of them would easily have occurred spontaneously in the alkaline vents that were the nursery of life. I will explain more if you are interested.

  You really don't want an answer do you?
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  cofty

  You categorically cannot conclude creation, evolution by creation, evolution or otherwise without knowing what event enabled RNA to become DNA. - Hadriel

  This thread is not about the origin of life. It is about the homochirality of some organic molecules. Some creationists - for reasons best known to themselves - see this as evidence of a creator.

  Kenso Soai demonstrated that in fact there is nothing unlikely about homochirality at all.

  Having said that your question about the transition from RNA to DNA in the early stages of life on earth is a good one.

  You should investigate the work being done by biochemist Bill Martin of the University of Dusseldorf, Mike Russell of the Jet Propulsion Lab in Passendina, and Eugene Koonin of the NIH in the USA.

  There are just two tiny chemical differences between RNA and DNA. Both of them would easily have occurred spontaneously in the alkaline vents that were the nursery of life. I will explain more if you are interested.
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  cofty

  I happen to heartily disagree with Carrier - saname

  Have you read his 700 page book that lays out his evidence in detail?

  You claimed that there "is a freaking reason why there is not a single scholar who is employed at a university or college who teaches any relative field to Christianity and who doesn't believe that Jesus existed"

  If you now claim that you know Dr Carrier's evidence well enough to dismiss it, why did you assert serious scholars such as Dr Carrier didn't exist?

  I look down at certain people

  You are a child, you haven't earned the right to look down on anybody.

  If you are serious about going to uni - and I hope you are - you will learn more if you lose your know-it-all attitude.