Posts by cofty

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Complaining over post dislikes / downvotes

by Simon in

let's be clear: people have the right to like or dislike what they want - that is why the option is there.

as long as they are not doing it in a malicious way to retaliate or game the system, there is no policing the votes.

if you get a down-vote, live with it.

cofty

I think it's easy to label everything the result of being in the WTS

Yes it is the default explanation/insult/excuse for absolutely everything that happens on ex-JW forums.

Lazy, lazy thinking.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

cofty

Hadriel I have offered to have a discussion with you about the origin of life at least 3 or 4 times. All I ask is that you first define your question/objection.

If you know what the charge is that caused RNA to become DNA again you'll get a Nobel Prize

What do you mean by "the charge"?

I want to know what kicked off those amino acids caused chaining of DNA. I can't be more clear.

Amino acids don't cause chaining of DNA. You really couldn't be less clear.

Do I think we will know what this charge was that began the proto-chaining of life in my lifetime? NO

Again - "charge"? "proto-chaining of life"?

You seem to throw around sciencey words devoid of context.

You have changed your objection at least four times. The worrying thing is that you don't even realise you have changed it which probably makes a useful conversation impossible.

Of course abiogenesis is important. NOBODY is saying otherwise.

However the fact of evolution in no way depends on solving the origin of life. Even it turned out that Jesus made the first cell out of angel farts evolution still stands beyond all reasonable doubt.

You seem to be contradicting yourself about evolution. Contrast and compare...

"I have no issue with LUCA" - This is a firm affirmation of evolution and common ancestry.

"there's no answer hence it frustrates you and your firm belief of Evolution, probably because you don't like hearing that it is only a theory" - This is worthy of Ken Ham

Do you have any idea where you stand at all?

What books that present the scientific evidence FOR evolution and/or the origin of life have you read?

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Complaining over post dislikes / downvotes

by Simon in

let's be clear: people have the right to like or dislike what they want - that is why the option is there.

as long as they are not doing it in a malicious way to retaliate or game the system, there is no policing the votes.

if you get a down-vote, live with it.

cofty

you can change your vote on a post if you made a mistake by clicking the other one instead

I get a red circle with diagonal line icon once I have made a vote.

Edited to add - If I refresh the page I can change a vote

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Complaining over post dislikes / downvotes

by Simon in

let's be clear: people have the right to like or dislike what they want - that is why the option is there.

as long as they are not doing it in a malicious way to retaliate or game the system, there is no policing the votes.

if you get a down-vote, live with it.

I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

cofty

Cofty offered to discuss RNA and DNA with you, yet you pretend no one would. Why?

^^^ This ^^^

If I understand Prologos correctly he is one of the very few who hold a position that is consistent with science and faith.He makes the minimal claim that a "creator" set the starting conditions that began the process of unguided evolution. It is the same position as scientists such as Kenneth Miller and Francis Collins. I have theological objections to it - regarding suffering for example - but it is not anti-scientific.

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Complaining over post dislikes / downvotes

by Simon in

let's be clear: people have the right to like or dislike what they want - that is why the option is there.

as long as they are not doing it in a malicious way to retaliate or game the system, there is no policing the votes.

if you get a down-vote, live with it.

cofty

sometimes people maybe click the wrong button by mistake - Simon

I just did that with the OP. oops

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

cofty

There has been no advancement in the answer to how RNA became DNA. - Hadriel

I gave you the names of three scientists working at the cutting edge of this field and recommended a book that explains it.

You really have zero interest in the answer.

Every time you pose the "question" it changes.

First you rejected the idea of a RNA world

Then you demand to know how RNA could give rise to DNA

Then you insist the real problem has something to do with amino acids being "charged".

Then it's all about what catalyst was involved in connecting amino acids together.

Is it one or all of these that troubles you or is just the origin of life in general?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

cofty

You categorically cannot prove/disprove Evolution/Creation until you can define how RNA became DNA.

That is nonsense.

All three great kingdoms of life descended from the Last Universal Common Ancestor - LUCA.

How that happened is very well understood and beyond all sensible doubt. How geochemistry became biochemistry is a different subject and one in which very exciting progress is being made.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

cofty

How those amino acids became charge which began the proto-chaining of life.

Please explain this strange sentence.

What do you mean when you say "amino acids became charge"?

What is "proto-chaining"? Nobody can answer a question until you frame it in language that makes sense.

I told you already that the transition from an RNA world to DNA is the least difficult question in the study of the origin of life. I can think of much more challenging problems. I think you misread something somewhere that you thought you understood and now you are no longer sure what your question is?

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Watching the Rio Olympics? What's your sporting interest?

by smiddy in

i haven`t seen much if anything on the rio olympic games on this forum , i can`t believe their is so little interest in such a sporting event that is televised world wide.. i don`t get to watch everything , but events i do like to see when i can are,track and field ,gymnastics ,swimming , diving ,and their are a few other sports i will watch when they are on , especially if an australian is involved.. how about you ?

whats your favourite sport to watch ?.

has the "drug" issue affected your view of the games ?

cofty

I love the Olympics. Track and Field are my favourite events but some of the games this week have been good. Gymnastics are excellent.

Great Britain are likely to do well but not as well as in London 2012