He doesn't literally have to give it to make something alive.
The quotes I gave you above say otherwise.
Posts by cofty
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405Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
'Spirit' is just another way of saying 'alive'.
“Spirit” thus refers to an invisible force (the spark of life) that animates all living creatures.... Similarly, the spirit is the force that brings our body to life. Also, like electricity, the spirit has no feeling and cannot think. It is an impersonal force.
“The dust [of his body] returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it.” Eccl.12:7
the life-force returns to where it came from—God
With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light. Ps.36:9
“the body without spirit [pneuʹma] is dead.” - Jas.2:26
So if science made all the complex parts of a cell as the brochure suggests it would be lifeless without pneuma (the spark of life) from god.
The brochure is typical WT double-speak. Nowhere does it say science might succeed in making a LIVING cell.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
It's whether or not the means of transmission is an issue should scientists one day create life.
In JW world, if science produces life from rocks the cell would have spirit. Where would that have come from?
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Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.
the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.
so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.
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cofty
Thank you for the information. It has potential to be very significant. Elders will be hung out to dry by the organisation again.
Why would anybody be an elder now?
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
The WT says that scientists may one day create living cells from non-living matter.
I will pick it up in a new thread. You have succeeded in trashing this one.
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To all former Elders – what are your thoughts
by Tallon inif you were part of a judicial committee, and knowing what you know now, what was it like for you to sit on jc’s?
how did you feel if someone was reproved or df’d?
were you ever on a jc and you disagreed with someone being reproved or df’d and were overruled – how did you feel?
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cofty
the scripture that said, do not judge or else you will be judged...I think something like that....or the one where the same measure you judge someone you will be judged with the same measure...How did you all handle those scriptures, in good conscience...did you ever feel that those scriptures about judging, would ever apply to you ? How did you rationalize that in your hearts and minds?
Hi Tor. I think it is a matter of context. Once the early church was established a hierarchy of deacons and elders were appointed. Among the elders' duties was the task of judging "wrongdoers".
It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. - 1Cor.5:12 (NLT)
A lot of elders I knew viewed themselves as police of congregation. I always thought of myself as being like a brother who had responsibility to look out for the others. Elders who think that way often end up butting heads with the legalistic sort.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
I refuse to waste any more time and energy on this thread. It is like trying to have an adult conversation with friends while a child runs around screaming "look at me everybody".
I think it is a question I really want to pursue further so I will attempt to come at the same question again in a new thread - which of course SBF will shit on again and again forever and ever amen.
SBF when I say you are dishonest and disingenuous I use those words very deliberately. If you ever do visit Lindisfarne I am only 5 minutes away. I will be out.
Viv - Thank you for taking the time to try to sort out SBFs wilful twisting of facts. I appreciate it.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
I do remember they said God created Adam and then breathed into his nostrils the breath of life which refers to some kind of animating force that only comes from God
Yes that is what I said.
Spirit pneuma is impersonal life-force. Soul nephesh is the living being.
Life-force/spirit comes only from god therefore scientists cannot make life. Satan cannot make life.
Euthanasia is always wrong. Very basic JW theology.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
I don't think slim is a troll
I do
I felt he raised some valid questions
He made deliberately obtuse statements and then ignored all answers,
It's a shame the thread became ugly, and what should have been an interesting debate,
That was his intention.
and defend himself, with " reasonable" arguments
He has not made a single reasonable argument in this thread that was not predicated on lying about the intention of the OP
Slims, simply audacious comments if honest and sincere, do challenge and create what could be an interesting debate
Not honest or sincere. His intention is to trash not challenge. You could copy-paste his first comment in this thread into any one of hundreds of different threads. It is generic bullshit with no connection to the actual topic.
Believers love him for it. Most of them don't have a clue what he is on about but it saves them having to think.
informative questions, rightly asked/ answered to create a great thread and challenge our thinking.
It was an excellent question. SBF made sure no sensible conversation on the actual topic was possible. It is his MO. Another thread trashed. SBF feeling smug. Mission accomplished.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
The watchtower's doctrine of spirit and soul make it theologically impossible for scientists to invent life in the lab.
the thread is based on a false premise.
Believers in this forum have objected many times that the origin of life poses an impossible barrier to a purely naturalistic view of life. I attempted to start a conversation about that. It is not based on any false premise. Even if you are right about the WT view - you're not - it in no way invalidates the topic.
You have made so many obtuse statements in this thread in a childish and arrogant attempt to shut down conversation. I stand by my original statement that you are a troll.