i got in an hour metal detecting this evening and found this almost immediately.. it is a silver penny of henry ii minted in london by "davi" between 1180 and 1189. this adds a king i didn't have in my collection.
i now have the series of henry ii - john - henry iii - edward i - edward ii - edward iii.. i now need richard the lionheart to fill in the gap.
he was the brother of john and reigned after the death of henry ii.
Hi Eden - I have to admit to knowing very little about the high-end detectors. I'm sure they are excellent. There are lots of reviews on YouTube that would be worth checking out. I use a Garrett AT-Pro which is a mid-price machine.
Be sure you have good permissions to detect on before parting with a lot of money. Remember it can take a lot of hours of detecting to find anything worth keeping. Most people who start the hobby give up in frustration. Enjoy the walk and any finds are a bonus.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
why they can't just admit there is a small mistake and move on - Ruby
Because so far nobody has demonstrated any flaws in my argument.
If you can see any let me know. I don't want to be wrong any longer than necessary.
As far as "souls" go it is up to those who refer to such non-entities to explain what they mean and where their evidence is. If there are other ways of knowing that humans have something called a soul that doesn't depend on evidence then what are those ways? To just make an unfalsifiable assertion like "god gave two humanoids a soul" is to be not even wrong.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
Memphis - The angels who made bodies for themselves already possessed the "spirit of life" - they were living spirits who changed form.
Same goes for the resurrected Jesus. In older publications it was taught that the life force was transmitted in the sperm. I doubt if they have repeated that gem for a long time but some similar assumption still applies. The official line is "life comes from life".
That puts test-tube babies in a totally different category from the creation of new life from rocks. The former is a technical challenge, the latter is a theological impossibility. The reason is the very same that rules out resurrecting the dead without god. Pneuma belongs to god alone.
That is why in the creationist brochure they are so careful to talk about scientists making all the components to assemble a cell. They do not talk about a living cell. It's typical Watchtower double-speak.
EQV - Please Google non-sequitur
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
Thank you for a useful on-topic conversation Memphis
Refreshing change!
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
explain the Angel babies pre-Flood. It's not a slam dunk like you think
Yes it might be a very good objection to WT theology. I am not arguing that they are rational or in any way correct. Everything they believe is irrational and frequently self-contradictory.
I am making a very simple assertion. According to WT theology the obstacle to making new life in the lab is theological - Pneuma
Exactly the same reason doctors will never perform a resurrection.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
Once somebody dies only god can restore that force. Scientists can never conduct a resurrection unless god sends that life force back into that person.
The hurdle to resurrection is theological not technical - just like making life in the lab.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
You said - 'Spirit' is just another way of saying 'alive'.
JW Org says - “Spirit” thus refers to an invisible force (the spark of life) that animates all living creatures.... Similarly, the spirit is the force that brings our body to life. Also, like electricity, the spirit has no feeling and cannot think. It is an impersonal force.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
He doesn't literally have to give it to make something alive.
The quotes I gave you above say otherwise.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
'Spirit' is just another way of saying 'alive'.
“Spirit” thus refers to an invisible force (the spark of life) that animates all living creatures.... Similarly, the spirit is the force that brings our body to life. Also, like electricity, the spirit has no feeling and cannot think. It is an impersonal force.
“The dust [of his body] returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it.” Eccl.12:7
the life-force returns to where it came from—God
With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light. Ps.36:9
“the body without spirit [pneuʹma] is dead.” - Jas.2:26
So if science made all the complex parts of a cell as the brochure suggests it would be lifeless without pneuma (the spark of life) from god.
The brochure is typical WT double-speak. Nowhere does it say science might succeed in making a LIVING cell.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
It's whether or not the means of transmission is an issue should scientists one day create life.
In JW world, if science produces life from rocks the cell would have spirit. Where would that have come from?
