in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
Adam and Eve lived about 4 thousand years BC. - John_Mann
These more realistic models estimate that the most recent common ancestor of mankind lived as recently as about 3,000 years ago - John_Mann's evidence
Which is it John 3000 or 6000?
The genealogies of the gospels are one of the best examples of biblical contradictions that cannot be reconciled.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
John_Mann you are comparing two different things. Population mathematics are very complex and yield different results depending on what exactly you measure.
There is no possibility I will be taking the time to explain the maths but check out this Wiki article if your interested....
I'm puzzled about what your point is. Are you saying nobody had a "soul" until 3000 years ago?
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
You're are wrong about the date of the most recent common ancestor of humans. It existed just a few thousand years. - John Mann
No it didn't.
The last female ancestor of living humans - "mitochondrial Eve" lived in Africa around 200,000 years ago. The last male common ancestor - "Y-chromosome Adam" lived more recently, around 100,000 years ago.
Not all studies have some up with identical results but none of them date either of our last common ancestors less than 99,000 years ago. You can read more about the latest results here...
Only Christians consider matter as separated from God. Others religions consider matter as a body of a god. In these religions you cannot study matter but you must worship it.
The dualism of christianity is of no relevance to science. It is simply a method of investigating what is real and true about the world. It has only succeeded by making the working assumption that religious superstitions play no part in the real world.
That assumption has been astonishingly successful.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
Anybody is free to rant about anything on their own thread. They are not welcome to hijack thread after thread with facile postmodern bullshit and deliberately misrepresent what others say.
SBF hates science. There is no such thing as a fact. We get it already!
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
Thank you for highlighting the facile straw man with which SBF began his trashing of yet another thread
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
In the ancient past if something was convincing - if an individual had the power to convince - then his take on reality was accepted as true. do we want to be convinced like this? - Ruby
No. A million times no!
That is why I always present objective evidence. I make it clear when I am discussing a hypothesis or a well proven fact. I welcome challenges and corrections. Nobody should take anybody's word for anything. Check it out. Do the research.
What is pernicious is when people like SBF twist what others have said and make it look as if they have refuted something when all they have done is attack a strawman.
My OP was a very simple and reasonable conversation-opener. As usual SF saw it as an opportunity to hijack a thread to spout his usual vacuous, anti-scientific, self-indulgent, bullshit. Some of the most inane things ever written in the history of the forum were written by SBF in this thread. As usual you cheer him on from the peanut gallery.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
I met one once. She is an atheist now of course.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
Get the popcorn, sweets and drinks at Poundland.
in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
Our body cells are continually replicating, renewing, dying so that the body is a different body (so to speak) than the one we had 7 years ago, apart from brain cells. However we are still the same person. - tornapart
Really interesting comments thanks.
I think I will pursue it further in a new thread.
Landy I think you are right. I wonder how more rational christians would handle it. Evolution has been accepted by millions of christians but very few Muslims. Would the realisation that life can arise spontaneously from geochemistry be any more of a challenge?
Rebel please deal with the topic or hush. The forum doesn't need any more "politeness police".
