What exactly sounds insane to you? The time (6,000)?
Modern humans with intelligence and hopes and fears and self-awareness just like ours have been around for approximately 100,000 years.
Posts by cofty
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405Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
This is entertainment to SBF.
Lying about what others have said, posting impossibly obtuse statements and generally behaving like a drunk at a dinner party.
Three hundred posts on what should have been a simple and interesting topic about origin-of-life research and what it might say about theism. Probably 250 of those posts off-topic.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
Automant - Don't post drunk
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
Cofty you say I misrepresent you. You say you don't in fact believe that scientific discoveries can answer questions about God. Yet at various times in the thread you made statements that suggest otherwise. Not least in the opening post.
Yes you still continue to misrepresent my views. But there is no possible way to correct that when the person doing the misrepresenting is doing so knowingly and deliberately.
There is no way anybody can be so staggeringly obtuse so the only possible alternative is that you are lying.
For lurkers who may be misled by SBF's dishonest tactics....
1 - Of course science has things to say that have implications of theology.
2 - Science can NEVER prove that god does not exist.
There is no contradiction in these two simple statements.
Reason, logic, common sense, reality - these things can show that the god of christian theism is a delusion but the fact of evolution and the possibility of solving abiogenesis will NOT prove there is no god..
I have NEVER said otherwise and I have told SBF that a ridiculous number of times. Viv has also explained that to you dozens of times.
SBF - My contempt with your tactics on this thread is total.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
about 6 thousand years ago God created the first soul in one of the several races of humanoids - JM
That is totally insane and ignores tons and tons of archaeological and anthropological evidence. It is on par with the anti-scientific cultish drivel of the Mormon Church and Scientology.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
All it proves is that the universe is consistent in observing patterns and laws all the way back. Whether God instigated these laws, or used them for his purposes, science cannot tell us one way or another. - SBF the Strawman Slayer
I have NEVER said otherwise. Many times I have commended the position of theistic evolutionists like Francis Collins and Ken Miller.
I think their beliefs are provably wrong for other reasons but NOT for scientific ones.
Nowhere in this thread have I suggested what you are claiming and yet more than half the thread consists of your phony arguments and others refuting them.
Once again you are congratulating yourself for attacking a straw man. Troll
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
Adam and Eve lived about 4 thousand years BC. - John_Mann
These more realistic models estimate that the most recent common ancestor of mankind lived as recently as about 3,000 years ago - John_Mann's evidence
Which is it John 3000 or 6000?
The genealogies of the gospels are one of the best examples of biblical contradictions that cannot be reconciled.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
John_Mann you are comparing two different things. Population mathematics are very complex and yield different results depending on what exactly you measure.
There is no possibility I will be taking the time to explain the maths but check out this Wiki article if your interested....
I'm puzzled about what your point is. Are you saying nobody had a "soul" until 3000 years ago?
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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cofty
You're are wrong about the date of the most recent common ancestor of humans. It existed just a few thousand years. - John Mann
No it didn't.
The last female ancestor of living humans - "mitochondrial Eve" lived in Africa around 200,000 years ago. The last male common ancestor - "Y-chromosome Adam" lived more recently, around 100,000 years ago.
Not all studies have some up with identical results but none of them date either of our last common ancestors less than 99,000 years ago. You can read more about the latest results here...
Only Christians consider matter as separated from God. Others religions consider matter as a body of a god. In these religions you cannot study matter but you must worship it.
The dualism of christianity is of no relevance to science. It is simply a method of investigating what is real and true about the world. It has only succeeded by making the working assumption that religious superstitions play no part in the real world.
That assumption has been astonishingly successful.