Thanks Simon.
Will listen to it this evening and see if he makes a convincing case.
apparently there is a right wing commentator, on Fox News... - SBF
You could finish that phrase with absolutely any foolishness imaginable.
Posts by cofty
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86Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday
by cofty inprofessor jordan peterson of the university of toronto will be streaming a live debate on his youtube channel on the topic of free speech and "bill c-16".. if you haven't heard (where have you been?
) peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of pc "social justice warriors" at the u of t to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns.
in his judgement proposed "bill-c16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.. professor peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
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Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday
by cofty inprofessor jordan peterson of the university of toronto will be streaming a live debate on his youtube channel on the topic of free speech and "bill c-16".. if you haven't heard (where have you been?
) peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of pc "social justice warriors" at the u of t to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns.
in his judgement proposed "bill-c16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.. professor peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
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Very interesting points Bohm thank you for your input.
I enjoy forum conversations most when people explain with evidence and reason why I may be wrong. I appreciate it.
I have often been accused on the forum of being unwilling to ever admit being wrong. It's not true. I just need reasons to convince me. Being in a minority of one isn't ever a reason.
I will watch developments with interest.
By the way I agree that Trump poses an egregious threat to free speech.
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Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday
by cofty inprofessor jordan peterson of the university of toronto will be streaming a live debate on his youtube channel on the topic of free speech and "bill c-16".. if you haven't heard (where have you been?
) peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of pc "social justice warriors" at the u of t to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns.
in his judgement proposed "bill-c16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.. professor peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
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cofty
Please notice that you changed my example to something else.
Yes I did. If Peterson is correct a hotel will be unable to fire a male receptionist who turns up in a dress and a beard claiming that this is his/her/they/Zi version of "gender expression". That would be a bad law.
You believe that it should be legal to fire a fireman for coming out trans?
No.
For instance, suppose a female fireman comes out as a man, you believe it should be possible to fire that person?
No absolutely not. Not unless something interferes with their ability to perform their duties.
Again if Peterson is correct, the fireman/woman will be able to demand that they are referred to by made-up pronouns. They employer would be liable for the failure of other employees to comply. IF Peterson's interpretation is correct.
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Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday
by cofty inprofessor jordan peterson of the university of toronto will be streaming a live debate on his youtube channel on the topic of free speech and "bill c-16".. if you haven't heard (where have you been?
) peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of pc "social justice warriors" at the u of t to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns.
in his judgement proposed "bill-c16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.. professor peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
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cofty
Firstly, do you agree with Peterson this bill forms an unprecedented and new challenge to free speech in Canada?
I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. Peterson's explanation of why it does is compelling but perhaps he will be shown to be mistaken. If it does coerce others to use made-up pronouns then it is a very bad law and should be opposed by everybody who cares about free speech. Even those who think that made-up pronouns are charmingly whimsical.
trans people should be a protected category, i.e. that you are not allowed to fire a fireman for coming out women similar to how you should not be allowed to fire him if he converts to Christianity?
I'm not sure if I'm on the same page with you about that. Converting to christianity demonstrates poor judgement but it probably doesn't interfere with a person's suitability to do most jobs. Insisting on turning up for work as a hotel receptionist in a dress and a beard probably would. That is why it is a badly formed law. "Gender expression" can be interpreted to mean absolutely anything.
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Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday
by cofty inprofessor jordan peterson of the university of toronto will be streaming a live debate on his youtube channel on the topic of free speech and "bill c-16".. if you haven't heard (where have you been?
) peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of pc "social justice warriors" at the u of t to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns.
in his judgement proposed "bill-c16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.. professor peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
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cofty
Jordans position is that on campus he should still be able to call the person "him" or "her" according to the student's biological sex
For the third time no it isn't.
He has stated clearly - including in the latest video I posted - that he has no problem addressing a transgender person as he or she according to their preference.
SBF did not "nail it". He also misrepresented Peterson's position - straw man.
To assert that issues that don't concern you should be dismissed because, in your opinion x or y is a bigger issue is not an argument.
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Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday
by cofty inprofessor jordan peterson of the university of toronto will be streaming a live debate on his youtube channel on the topic of free speech and "bill c-16".. if you haven't heard (where have you been?
) peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of pc "social justice warriors" at the u of t to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns.
in his judgement proposed "bill-c16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.. professor peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
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BTW is there a video of the debate online?
Doesn't seem to be.
and did you read C 16 yet?
As I said earlier, yes I read it weeks ago.
I would also refuse to use made-up pronouns. Don't pander to people's delusions. Students should be challenged to grow up not codelled.
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Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday
by cofty inprofessor jordan peterson of the university of toronto will be streaming a live debate on his youtube channel on the topic of free speech and "bill c-16".. if you haven't heard (where have you been?
) peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of pc "social justice warriors" at the u of t to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns.
in his judgement proposed "bill-c16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.. professor peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
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but that it's okay, in fact it is his "right", to address someone as he and him and his, who does not feel themselves to be a man - SBF
Which is a total misrepresentation of his position. As usual you are attacking a straw man.
Peterson has stated that he has no problem calling a transgender person by he or she.
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Hello everyone
by Lancashirelass ini just wanted to add my name to the many number of people who have awakened from the cult.
i have been lurking for probably 2 years now.
and i'm quite certain there are many more lurking and reading just like me.. i have to be honest and say that i most likely will not be contributing much to the discussion board.
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Welcome Lancashirelass. We had a few Lancastrians in Berwick including the PO.
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Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday
by cofty inprofessor jordan peterson of the university of toronto will be streaming a live debate on his youtube channel on the topic of free speech and "bill c-16".. if you haven't heard (where have you been?
) peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of pc "social justice warriors" at the u of t to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns.
in his judgement proposed "bill-c16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.. professor peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
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I'm also intrigued by Cofty's refusal to use Ms: are there others that find this unacceptable? - Scotsman
I did not say that I refuse to use Ms. I said - "I have never referred to anybody as Ms in my life, I have also never referred to a man as Mx and never will."
I have never been asked to refer to somebody as Ms. I'm amused that you would presume to declare my opinions on anything "unacceptable".
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Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday
by cofty inprofessor jordan peterson of the university of toronto will be streaming a live debate on his youtube channel on the topic of free speech and "bill c-16".. if you haven't heard (where have you been?
) peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of pc "social justice warriors" at the u of t to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns.
in his judgement proposed "bill-c16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.. professor peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
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I expect the majority of those people also want to be either a he or a she. - Simon
That is exactly what transgender people are saying about this issue. The 0.3% who have gender dysphoria want to be accepted as male or female. We should of course accommodate that
The far bigger group who flounce around demanding to be called Zi etc are poseurs. Their position is based on the nonsense that gender is a social construct and they can choose from an ever-expanding menu of options and change their mind again next week - and everybody else MUST play along.