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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

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  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  It has absolutely nothing to do with my preference.

  I judge the god of christian theism - the god and father of Jesus - by his own words, and by the claims of his followers.

  But you knew that already.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  The OP is not intended to be a knock-down argument against theism. I am making a very simple point....
  

  The evidence for theism just doesn't fit the facts.

  If god created the world then it would not be as it is. If he revealed himself in scripture it would not read as it does. If he answers the prayers of his children as he promised, then that would undeniably be the case.

  The obfuscation and special pleading we have seen in this thread is testimony to the veracity of my argument.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  You are very concerned with problems of the material world.

  Yes. So was Jesus. "Do unto others..."

  We judge others as good or otherwise depending on how they treat real people in the material world.

  I made a lot of points in my OP. So far you have addressed none of them.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  But John_Mann your response totally ignores every single point I made in my OP...

  Isn't it odd how often theists do that? They answer the question they wish you had asked rather then the more awkward one you actually asked.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  Please let's not derail the thread with pseudo-science.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  David - I suspect you are taking refuge in Deism.

  There is a very clear distinction between deism and theism - Jewish or Christian.

  My disbelief is a very well informed one that covers theism in all its guises.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  Vidqun - Please justify this statement...

  "For those that notice such things, sun is not coming up where it use to. The earth is 25 degrees or more out of kilter."
  

  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  Vidqun - The following is perhaps the most outrageous lie in history of the internet...

  For those that notice such things, sun is not coming up where it use to. The earth is 25 degrees or more out of kilter.
  

  This is what happens when you are committed to seeing the fulfillment of "prophecy" at any cost.
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  The bible really would contain prophecies that could be verified using objective historical evidence. It wouldn't be necessary to rip verses out of context and interpret ambiguous phrases to try to make details fit post hoc.. - Cofty

  Daniel warned of an impending “great tribulation” (Dan. 12:1). Jesus also referred to the Great Tribulation. If the days were not cut short, no flesh would be saved (Matt. 24:21, 22; Mark 13:20). Haggai warns: “Moreover, the LORD who rules over all says: ‘In just a little while I will once again shake the sky[1] and the earth, the sea and the dry ground’” (Hag. 2:6 NET; cf. Hebr. 12:26-29). - Vidqun

  Vidqun, thank you for illustrating my point so eloquently.
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  Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?

  by kpop in

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  alone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.

  after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.

  " shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .

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  cofty

  My mother recently died......my father and elder brothers didn't even call me while she was in hospice......When I found out a month later, by only the sheer power of the Holy Spirit...... - Perry

  Why did the holy spirit let you know a month too late?