Posts by cofty

I have to agree that no medical procedure should ever be forced on an adult who is capable of being consulted on their wishes. It should always be forced on a child.

However the reality is that no JW actually understands the biblical commands concerning blood and they are prohibited from getting that information. I reckon given some quiet time for a one-to-one I could persuade any JW that they should at least hesitate before giving up their life for this dogma...

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

by towerwatchman in

2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

cofty

TowerWatchMan

1 - When the armies of Joshua carried out god's instructions to kill hundreds or even thousands of women and infants in cold blood were they doing something that was objectively good?

2 - Is infanticide normally objectively bad but it becomes objectively good if it is ordered by god?

3 - If you had been in Joshua's army and you were commanded by your god to kill hundreds of unarmed women and infants in cold blood, one by one using a sword, do you hope you would have the faith to obey god or the courage to defy him?

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

cofty

Similar story in Glasgow last year. A Muslim shopkeeper was murdered by another Muslim man for saying things that were not Islamic enough. The local MP organised a vigil for all religious communities to come together in solidarity. Guess how many Muslims turned up?

Go on have a guess?

Yep you got it. Not one!

Moderate Muslims are afraid of the extremists with good reason. Reform must come from within the community.

Outspoken exJWs the are shunned . Outspoken exMuslims tend to end up dead.

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Amazing News!!

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

my boy is going to play for watford football club!

and whilst i didn't take his revelation to seriously, i am was glad his " goal" isn't to pioneer.

:-).

cofty

That's brilliant! Very well done to him. Can I ask what age group he will be playing at?

I coached amateur and semi - pro youth football for over 20 years. The ones that make it into pro clubs are a very small percentage.

Please let us know how he gets on.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

cofty

I have honestly not got the first clue what you mean John. My definition is the very epitome of reasonable and yet you find some pretty excuse to find fault.

I am weary of trying to converse with others who appear so disingenuous.

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

by towerwatchman in

2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

cofty

TWM you haven't began to address my questions. You have waffled off on tangents and obfuscated. You pretended not to know about infanticide in the bible and challenged me to provide a reference. I have now given you three examples. Over to you.

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

by towerwatchman in

2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

cofty

Scenario 1 (Numbers 31)

You are camped on the east side of the Jordan waiting for orders to cross into the Promised Land. Moses is nearing the end of his life but he has some unfinished business to take care of before he hands over to Joshua. He announces that he has had an instruction from God to take revenge on the Midianites before he dies.

The ensuing battle is a complete rout, not one Israelite soldier is killed in return for the complete annihilation of the Midianite army. You return to camp with a massive amount of spoil including tens of thousands of women and children. As you keep guard the commanders go off to report back to Moses. A while later they return with new instructions - Moses is furious about the prisoners of war and wants them separated into groups. The rest of the afternoon is spent separating the youngest girls from the rest of the captives. Its a horrifying task, the cries and of the mothers and the hysterical pleadings of the young girls is very distressing. When its over there are 32,000 girls who your commander says are to be shared out, 16,000 to the army and 16,000 to the rest of the families of Israel.

Cowering in front of you is a mass of terrified humanity, tens and tens of thousands of women and boys, some are only just too young to have fought with their fathers and brothers, others are just babes in arms clinging to their mothers, blissfully unaware of their fate. Now the order comes that you have been dreading. Moses’ command from Yahweh is that every one of them is to be put to death.

As your fellow soldiers unsheathe their swords and move towards the crowd there is a growing cacophony of screams. The women cover their children in a vain attempt to protect them from the massacre. Bodies are being dragged from the heap to uncover babies underneath so they too can be dispatched.

So what do you hope you would have the courage to do?

Faithfully carry out God’s command through Moses, or refuse to follow orders?

Scenario 2 (Joshua 8)

Moses has died and the leadership has passed on to Joshua. The nation has crossed the Jordan and the city of Jericho was defeated miraculously. The next military target is the city of Ai. Yahweh has assured Joshua that the city will be easily defeated and the army have been given permission to take spoils of war.

Joshua has a plan and you are assigned to be part of a group of 30,000 of the best soldiers who are to sneak around the back of the city during the night and lie in wait. Joshua leads another section who moves out in front of the city gates towards Bethel. In the morning the men of Ai set out to repel Joshua’s frontal attack but the Israelite army flee with the Canaanite army in pursuit. With the city unguarded your section invades Ai and sets it on fire before marching out to help Joshua surround the men of Ai. The bluff works like a treat and victory is quick and decisive. You are excited now at the thought of getting straight back to Ai to discover what riches it may have to plunder.

Then comes that order again that you have been dreading. Before anybody gets to search out any valuables there is a job to do. The army is commanded to first go through the city carefully searching every house and execute every last woman and child. As you kick doors open you find women and children cowering together pleading for their lives.

So what do you hope you would have the courage to do?

Faithfully carry out God’s command through Joshua, or refuse to follow orders?

Scenario 3 (1Samuel 15)

The nation has been settled in the Promised Land for about 400 years. Your parents have often told you the old stories about the exploits of your ancestors who fought under Moses and Joshua and conquered the land. Israel has its first king now and you are proud to be a soldier in Saul’s army just like your forebears. Mostly your battles are defending the borders of Israel from hostile neighbours but then one day right out the blue you receive a strange instruction. You are ordered to muster at a town called Telaim, when you arrive you see that there are 200,000 foot soldiers as well as another 10,000 from the tribe of Judah. Something big must be happening.

Samuel addresses the troops and tells them he has had a word from Yahweh. Four centuries ago when your forefathers were leaving captivity in Egypt the Amalekites had attacked them in the desert at Rephidim. Joshua defeated them but not without a number of Israelite casualties. Now all these centuries and many generations later, Samuel says that God wants revenge on the descendants of those Amalekites.

Then comes the order you were dreading, “Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys”.

So what do you hope you would have the courage to do?

Faithfully carry out God’s command through Samuel, or refuse to follow orders?

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