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  Papal Bulla - Latest Metal Detecting Find

  by cofty in

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  i was out detecting this evening for an hour after work and found this amazing bit of history.. it is a lead seal that originated on a document from pope martin v at some time between 1417 and 1431. these official documents were called papal bulls and were dispatched to all the parishes in the medieval empire.

  this example has later been made into a spindle whorl which is why it has a hole through the centre.

  lead whorls were used before spinning wheels were invented to make yarn of sheep's wool.. the inscription "spaspe" stands for "sanctus paulus sanctus petrus" and the two busts are of paul and peter.. the reverse has "martinus pp.

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  Correction - PP stands for Pastor Pastorum ("Shepherd of Shepherds")

  More info here...
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  Papal Bulla - Latest Metal Detecting Find

  by cofty in

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  i was out detecting this evening for an hour after work and found this amazing bit of history.. it is a lead seal that originated on a document from pope martin v at some time between 1417 and 1431. these official documents were called papal bulls and were dispatched to all the parishes in the medieval empire.

  this example has later been made into a spindle whorl which is why it has a hole through the centre.

  lead whorls were used before spinning wheels were invented to make yarn of sheep's wool.. the inscription "spaspe" stands for "sanctus paulus sanctus petrus" and the two busts are of paul and peter.. the reverse has "martinus pp.

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  This image from Google shows how a lead seal would have been used originally

  
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  Papal Bulla - Latest Metal Detecting Find

  by cofty in

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  i was out detecting this evening for an hour after work and found this amazing bit of history.. it is a lead seal that originated on a document from pope martin v at some time between 1417 and 1431. these official documents were called papal bulls and were dispatched to all the parishes in the medieval empire.

  this example has later been made into a spindle whorl which is why it has a hole through the centre.

  lead whorls were used before spinning wheels were invented to make yarn of sheep's wool.. the inscription "spaspe" stands for "sanctus paulus sanctus petrus" and the two busts are of paul and peter.. the reverse has "martinus pp.

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  @ILoveTTATT2 - I keep the stuff. So far I haven't sold anything. The landowner has a 50% claim on everything and I have agreed he can put up a display in "the big house".

  I use a Garrett AT Pro.
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  Papal Bulla - Latest Metal Detecting Find

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. physical

  i was out detecting this evening for an hour after work and found this amazing bit of history.. it is a lead seal that originated on a document from pope martin v at some time between 1417 and 1431. these official documents were called papal bulls and were dispatched to all the parishes in the medieval empire.

  this example has later been made into a spindle whorl which is why it has a hole through the centre.

  lead whorls were used before spinning wheels were invented to make yarn of sheep's wool.. the inscription "spaspe" stands for "sanctus paulus sanctus petrus" and the two busts are of paul and peter.. the reverse has "martinus pp.

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  @John_mann - it's 35mm diameter.

  A split can be seen on the top and bottom edges where the silk thread would have passed through.
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  Papal Bulla - Latest Metal Detecting Find

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. physical

  i was out detecting this evening for an hour after work and found this amazing bit of history.. it is a lead seal that originated on a document from pope martin v at some time between 1417 and 1431. these official documents were called papal bulls and were dispatched to all the parishes in the medieval empire.

  this example has later been made into a spindle whorl which is why it has a hole through the centre.

  lead whorls were used before spinning wheels were invented to make yarn of sheep's wool.. the inscription "spaspe" stands for "sanctus paulus sanctus petrus" and the two busts are of paul and peter.. the reverse has "martinus pp.

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  On 1 March 1420, Pope Martin V issued a Bull inviting all Christians to unite in a crusade against the Wycliffites, Hussites, and other heretics - Wiki

  This appears to be the only Bull he is known for which puts a good date on the object.

  Did the Watchtower not claim Jan Huss and John Wycliffe as two of the "anointed"?
  
  
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  Papal Bulla - Latest Metal Detecting Find

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. physical

  i was out detecting this evening for an hour after work and found this amazing bit of history.. it is a lead seal that originated on a document from pope martin v at some time between 1417 and 1431. these official documents were called papal bulls and were dispatched to all the parishes in the medieval empire.

  this example has later been made into a spindle whorl which is why it has a hole through the centre.

  lead whorls were used before spinning wheels were invented to make yarn of sheep's wool.. the inscription "spaspe" stands for "sanctus paulus sanctus petrus" and the two busts are of paul and peter.. the reverse has "martinus pp.

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  I was out detecting this evening for an hour after work and found this amazing bit of history.

  It is a lead seal that originated on a document from Pope Martin V at some time between 1417 and 1431. These official documents were called Papal Bulls and were dispatched to all the parishes in the Medieval empire.

  This example has later been made into a spindle whorl which is why it has a hole through the centre. Lead whorls were used before spinning wheels were invented to make yarn of sheep's wool.

  The inscription "SPASPE" stands for "Sanctus Paulus Sanctus Petrus" and the two busts are of Paul and Peter.

  The reverse has "Martinus PP. V" where PP stands for Papa. It is astonishing to hold such an important object that was lost just a few hundred yards from where I am now and hasn't been seen for 600 years.

  

  
  
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  Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

  by towerwatchman in

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  mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

  morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

  using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

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  He is a total waste of everybody's time.
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  Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

  by towerwatchman in

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  mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

  morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

  using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

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  I posted this as irrefutable proof your OP is nonsense. You have yet to acknowledge it.

  

  
  
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  Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

  by towerwatchman in

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  mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

  morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

  using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

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  I know a great deal about genetics. If we didn't have a single fossil we learn everything about evolution just from comparative genetics.

  You are too ignorant of the topic - and too arrogant - to hold a useful conversation.

  I have posted tons of evidence to refute your superstitious bullshit but like all creationists you are too dishonest to even acknowledge it. You are the least interesting person the forum has had for a long time.
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  The Modern Mind

  by towerwatchman in

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  we believe in marx freud and darwin.

  we believe everything is ok as long as you don’t hurt anyone to the best of your definition of hurt, and to the best of your knowledge.. we believe in sex before, during, and after marriage.. we believe in the therapy of sin.. we believe that adultery is fun.. we believe that sodomy’s ok.. we believe that taboos are taboo.. we believe that everything’s getting better despite evidence to the contrary.. the evidence must be investigated, and you can prove anything with evidence.. we believe there’s something in horoscopes, ufo’s and bent spoons.. jesus was a good man just like buddha, mohammed, and ourselves.. he was a good moral teacher though we think, his good morals were bad.. we believe that all religions are basically the same-at least the one that we read was.. they all believe in love and goodness.. they only differ on matters of creation, sin, heaven, hell, god, and salvation.. we believe that after death comes the nothing, because when you ask the dead what happens.

  they say nothing.. if death is not the end, if the dead have lied, then its compulsory heaven for all excepting perhaps.

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  The arrogance of some christians is astonishing.