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I'm puzzled why Fall Guy asserts that COs cost the organisation nothing. The Year Book says otherwise.
Posts by cofty
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86JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer
by Edison Trent ina friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.
they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.
they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?
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First posting on here..Hello all
by London Underground injust wanted to say a big hello to everyone, my first post on here was actually yesterday but it was deleted.. so will keep this one short to save my precious time just in case its also deleted or lost.. got fed up with years of persecution from within the congregations.
the lack of genuine friendship & lack of 'christian love'.
having personally seen many a scandalous behaviour i began doing some research online some years ago.
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cofty
Hi LU welcome to the forum. Plenty of Brits around here, I'm from up north - Berwick.
Best wishes.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
Fisherman when you are posting on multiple threads at the same time please try to post your comments to the correct one.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
Okay let's look at your tattoo example...
I respect people's rights but I feel very very hurt to see someone with tattoos all over their body. It does not hurt people from having them but it hurts me - Fisherman
This is an excellent illustration of a moral puzzle.
Is it anybody else's business if somebody gets a tattoo and can it ever be immoral or unethical to do so?
I personally don't think it is as simple as "live and let live". All healthy humans have a moral instinct for sanctity/degradation. It has helped to protect our ancestors for thousands of years. We avoid contact with things that look, feel or smell repulsive. We view our bodies as needing to be guarded from contamination.
For example it is this instinct that has led religions to label sex unhelpfully as "dirty". It is probably this same instinct that makes you recoil from the sight of excessive tattoos. There is a lady in Edinburgh who advertises as the most tattooed lady in the world. I too find her appearance repellent.
So where does the problem lie? Is it with the person who brazenly ignores the feelings of others or with others who would like to put their feelings ahead of individual freedoms? If the latter, then what about those who wish to challenge our sense of sanctity far more extreme ways. Where should we draw a line?
My point is not to provide an answer but to show that these things are legitimate moral questions that are concerned with the well-being of other creatures and that have roots in our social evolution.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
I was thinking in terms of when creatures are not affected like when people dump trash for example and it affects the beauty and naturalness of nature - Fisherman
Of course other creatures are affected by pollution. You are struggling to think of an actual example of a moral action that does not impact the wellbeing of others aren't you?
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
How about actions that affect non concious beings like throwing garbage into the ocean?
The moral dimension of dumping rubbish in the ocean comes from the fact that conscious creatures will be affected by our pollution.
We could happily dispense with the words morality and ethics and nothing would change. We would still be concerned about the implications of our actions on the well-being of other creatures. They are just convenient labels.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cofty
I agree with SBF's sandcastle illustration. There is no such thing as absolute morality.
Morality is just the name we give to our concerns about how our actions affect other conscious beings. So yes of course it exists.
I think you need to think through your question a bit more.
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JW Elder fired from bank for privacy violation regarding fellow JW employee
by Zoos in"thou shalt spy on and report your brothers and sisters to hq.".
https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/local/industrial-court-finds-there-are-limits-to-freedom-of-religion/article_5a485b94-a327-11e7-9c32-57b15184bc6a.html.
editor's note: due to the nature of this story we've changed the names of the parties involved.
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cofty
He is fortunate to get away with just being fired.
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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here
by pale.emperor inhi guys.
sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.
just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.
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cofty
Are there any questions your religion does now allow you to discuss - SBF
That is excellent.
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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here
by pale.emperor inhi guys.
sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.
just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.
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cofty
I don't think there are any questions that could not be dealt with to the self-satisfaction of an informed JW.
I do think it's worth challenging JWs as it may have a cumulative effect over time but there are no magic bullets. If a JW is reasonable it's probably better to try to reach the authentic self behind the cultish facade.
It really doesn't seem right to any decent human being to shun a family member because they have different beliefs about supernatural things. It isn't right that a child should die for lack of a transfusion. It can't be a moral good that they pray every day for the destruction of 99.999% of the earth's population, and so on.
I sometimes adopt the role of sympathetic confessor and watch their discomfort.
Of course they won't agree with you in public but you might trigger an internal struggle.